Did Any of the Authors of the Gospels Know Jesus?

[Alceste]

Scritpure is evidence that Jesus existed? How so? And what else is there, Josephus, Tacitus?

If Jesus existed that's fine, but what makes believers so sure that Jesus existed? He may have, he may not have, I don't know, but what I would like to know is what makes people so sure that he did.

You'll have to ask them. I don't care one way or the other, I'm just in the habit of deferring to academic consensus on questions of fact.

 

[Alceste]

Hey guys? As anybody who participates in these threads knows by now we have a cpl of slow-motion trolls in the forums who have teamed up to do a third rate comedy act aimed at derailing every thread even vaguely related to this topic.

Until I can figure out some way to take care of this situation once and for all, could you guys do your part and not feed them?

Sorry, Quagmire. I'll return to the subject of the OP.

 

[Quagmire]

Sorry, Quagmire. I'll return to the subject of the OP.

Nothing to apologize for, Alceste.

If anything I apologize for letting this go on as long as it has.

 

[steeltoes]

You'll have to ask them. I don't care one way or the other, I'm just in the habit of deferring to academic consensus on questions of fact.

None of the authors of the gospels even knew Jesus, again, this isn't science, there are no facts as it concerns Jesus, here the academic consensus you defer to is made up of Christians for the most part, Christians that have a vested interest in Jesus having really walked on earth.

 

[Lyndale]

None of the authors of the gospels even knew Jesus, again, this isn't science, there are no facts as it concerns Jesus, here the academic consensus you defer to is made up of Christians for the most part, Christians that have a vested interest in Jesus having really walked on earth.

~then I'm not real.

 

[outhouse]

Hey guys? As anybody who participates in these threads knows by now we have a cpl of slow-motion trolls in the forums who have teamed up to do a third rate comedy act aimed at derailing every thread even vaguely related to this topic.

Until I can figure out some way to take care of this situation once and for all, could you guys do your part and not feed them?

I keep most of them on ignore, ill put the one I just took off ignore after a year.


They all hang at another forum together, and it closed, and the other forum requires knowledge so they were booted there as well.

 

[Alceste]

None of the authors of the gospels even knew Jesus, again, this isn't science, there are no facts as it concerns Jesus, here the academic consensus you defer to is made up of Christians for the most part, Christians that have a vested interest in Jesus having really walked on earth.

Sorry bud, gonna have to put you on ignore so I can stay on topic as requested by the OP.

 

[outhouse]

There is bias in the consensus, and we all understand how apologist poison the well so to speak.

But that doesn't change the consensus at all.


Its not like only secular scholars question it. They all find with the rest.

 

[psychoslice]

I don't think anyone knew Jesus, well not in real life.

 

[Alceste]

There is bias in the consensus, and we all understand how apologist poison the well so to speak.

But that doesn't change the consensus at all.


Its not like only secular scholars question it. They all find with the rest.

You mean the consensus on whether the gospel authors knew Jesus? Because most scholars agree they didn't. I'm having trouble seeing that as a bias that helps the cause of christianity.

 

[oldbadger]

Nope. Never happened. In fact, they all fall aside when I walk into a forum swinging my, um... big gun.

I've double-dogged dared 'em. No takers so far.

Hi Amphibious!
You ...... double-dogged? That sounds naughty!
I'm holding my glass ball eek ....... I see a name......... Techo...something. It clears........ Technomage ........... ahhhh yesss.
What a spanking you received........ :biglaugh:

 

[outhouse]

I don't think anyone knew Jesus, well not in real life.

I agree.

 

[outhouse]

You mean the consensus on whether the gospel authors knew Jesus? Because most scholars agree they didn't.

Correct, I agree

The authors were FAR removed from Galilean peasants.

I'm having trouble seeing that as a bias that helps the cause of Christianity.

It does not help them at all. But they cant just admit he was only a man, they have to place the divine out of historical context to shelter their own faith.

And they do it at all different degrees.

 

[Desert Snake]

I agree.

Yet you have an entire theory of who he was, what he did, what language he spoke, what he believed, what his personality was, and how the Romans viewed him..

 

[oldbadger]

If Jesus existed that's fine, ..................................He may have, he may not have, I don't know, but what I would like to know is what makes people so sure that he did.

Hi....again....
But that shows an agenda within yourself, no?
.......... because you do not have the same urge to know what makes people so sure that he did not.
And so your stance of 'may have, may not have' is a camouflage of some kind? A ploy?

Mark's report is hard to dismiss, so strong that it was copied into other reports, and although it was adjusted afterwards, any detached researcher would find 'on the balance of probabilities' that it was a true account and that Jesus lived, had a mission and was executed.

So I ask........ 'Would you be prepared to step-up your 'may have' towards 'probably did'?

 

[outhouse]

There is no alternative of any kind to his historicity that makes sense.

His historicity fits the cultural anthropology to a T, and the way the mythology started cannot be explained by a literary creation.


There were multiple communities all over the whole empire who wanted to preserve their account of what happened.

And not one person or community even the movement enemies questioned his existence.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Sorry bud, gonna have to put you on ignore so I can stay on topic as requested by the OP.

It generally works well for me - except, of course, when you or someone else quotes him.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yet you have an entire theory of who he was, what he did, what language he spoke, what he believed, what his personality was, and how the Romans viewed him..

^ This, from the person who gave us …

Yeah some did.

the reason people think they didn't know jesus is just a time-frame factor, considering that some were family.....it would be quite strange if they didn't know him.

What remarkable hypocrisy!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Nope. Never happened. In fact, they all fall aside when I walk into a forum swinging my, um... big gun.

I've double-dogged dared 'em. No takers so far.

(The term 'juvenile' doesn't begin to cover it.)

 

[Desert Snake]

^ This, from the person who gave us …What remarkable hypocrisy!

And yet you have nothing substantial to offer. lol.