Did Any of the Authors of the Gospels Know Jesus?

[Desert Snake]

What destructive force compels you to make thoughtless, idiotic claims?

"The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian exilic period (c. 600 BCE) and that it was completed by the Persian period (c. 400 BCE)." [source]
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Temper temper my friend...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Temper temper my friend...

Did any of the authors of the Gospels know Jesus in life?

Yeah some did.

the reason people think they didn't know jesus is just a time-frame factor, considering that some were family.....it would be quite strange if they didn't know him.

Well, the Torah wasn't penned until later, after Jesus, ...

Time for the ignore list …

 

[Desert Snake]

I have to think that those Jewish scriptures preceded the time of Jesus, at least orally. If not, it would mean that the Jews plagiarized the Jesus story, rather than the other way around... which I find incredible.

But I could be wrong, in which case I'd like to hear about it.

Not really sure what you mean..
Judaism and Xianity developed in parralell, after Jesus's time, it seems to be a common misconception that the Judaism we have today preceded Xianity.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have to think that those Jewish scriptures preceded the time of Jesus, at least orally. If not, it would mean that the Jews plagiarized the Jesus story, rather than the other way around... which I find incredible.

But I could be wrong, in which case I'd like to hear about it.

One would think that someone so certain about the absence of an historical Jesus would be more educated and less equivocal when it comes to Jewish scripture and late 2nd Temple Period Judaism. :yes:

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Not really sure what you mean..
Judaism and Xianity developed in parralell, after Jesus's time, it seems to be a common misconception that the Judaism we have today preceded Xianity.

I wasn't talking about the nature of Judaism. I was addressing the issue of the Jewish scriptures. Considering that Jews, by definition, rejected the Messiah Jesus, I can't believe that they would then steal parts of the Jesus story to embed in their scriptures.


But it's easy to believe that the writer of Mark stole stuff from the Jewish scriptures with which to build his Christ.


And since he apparently did so, it's easier to believe that he wasn't an eyewitness to Jesus (and didn't know Jesus) and was more probably instead a story constructor... which some of us call a fiction writer.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

One would think that someone so certain about the absence of an historical Jesus would be more educated and less equivocal when it comes to Jewish scripture and late 2nd Temple Period Judaism. :yes:

Not to offend, but I have to say that I find your messages to be the most vaguely confused things on this forum. Sorry but that's my view of it.

Anyway, since I don't know of any poster here who is certain about the absence of an historical Jesus, I really have no idea what (or who) you are talking about. So far as I've seen, disciple hasn't expressed certainty about Jesus' non-existence.

Could you possibly be referring to yourself here... as a sort of confession?

Could you please try to be a little clearer when you write to me?

 

[Desert Snake]

I wasn't talking about the nature of Judaism. I was addressing the issue of the Jewish scriptures. Considering that Jews, by definition, rejected the Messiah Jesus, I can't believe that they would then steal parts of the Jesus story to embed in their scriptures.


But it's easy to believe that the writer of Mark stole stuff from the Jewish scriptures with which to build his Christ.


And since he apparently did so, it's easier to believe that he wasn't an eyewitness to Jesus (and didn't know Jesus) and was more probably instead a story constructor... which some of us call a fiction writer.

Yeah that was my fault, I wasn't being clear, because I haven't looked into the issue.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Anyway, since I don't know of any poster here who is certain about the absence of an historical Jesus, ...

That's good to here.

So far as I've seen, disciple hasn't expressed certainty about Jesus' non-existence.

No, only that some of the gospels were authored by members of his family.

Could you possibly be referring to yourself here... as a sort of confession?

That was childish. Why would you think it clever?

 

[steeltoes]

One would think that someone so certain about the absence of an historical Jesus would be more educated and less equivocal when it comes to Jewish scripture and late 2nd Temple Period Judaism. :yes:

"Certain about the absence of an historical Jesus" ???

Really? How can anyone be certain about anything as it relates to the gospel Jesus?

 

[steeltoes]

No, only that some of the gospels were authored by members of his family.

You haven't been paying attention.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

That's good to here.

Well, OK. Is it also good to there?

That was childish.

Thanks. Confession is good for the soul. We can't begin to grow until we first see our problem.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

By the way, I find this …

Not to offend, but ...

Could you possibly be referring to yourself here... as a sort of confession?

… more than a little disingenuous. Of course you mean to offend. You're just less than clever in execution.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

"Certain about the absence of an historical Jesus" ???

Really? How can anyone be certain about anything as it relates to the gospel Jesus?

Of course it doesn't matter how often you or I declare everyone's necessary ignorance on the matter.

For most Jesus-thinkers, it all reduces to the simplistic Yes-he-did and No-he-didn't.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

By the way, I find this …… more than a little disingenuous. Of course you mean to offend. You're just less than clever in execution.

I can't believe that anyone on this forum would think to write Jayhawker Soule a disingenuous or offensive message! He is such a sweetheart!

 

[Desert Snake]

No, only that some of the gospels were authored by members of his family.

Yes, if Jesus actually existed, I would assume that some apostles and followers would have been related to him.
At least I am putting forth an actual opinion/speculation.
Furthermore, the time at which the gospels were "authored"( I think translated, compiled), was still firmly in the timeframe of personal witness.

 

[outhouse]

Who created these books?

Roman citizens who were Jewish Proselytes, far away from Israel and far removed from any Galilean.

 

[sojourner]

There is no authoritative scholarship that definitively links any of the gospel writers to the disciples of Jesus. Paul is the earliest writer we know of, and even he didn't know Jesus. The Gospel writers would not have been contemporaries of Jesus.

 

[Desert Snake]

There is no authoritative scholarship that definitively links any of the gospel writers to the disciples of Jesus. Paul is the earliest writer we know of, and even he didn't know Jesus. The Gospel writers would not have been contemporaries of Jesus.

Sure they could, the 'bible' is translations and notations concerning the teachings. What you're saying is what people say when they are posturing the "made up teachings" of Jesus position.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Roman citizens who were Jewish Proselytes, far away from Israel and far removed from any Galilean.

So it was Jewish Romans that wrote the New Testament. Now bare with me please, but that sounds counter-intuitive. Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, so why would they create a religion that promotes Jesus in that light?

 

[Lyndale]

"Did Any of the Authors of the Gospels Know Jesus"?

:yes:

King Arthur protected the Holy Grail/Bloodline for Jesus.


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