Did anyone see the young adult Mythbusters?

[Mathematician]

Co2 and methane gas, when introduced separately to the experiments at the rate thought to be caused by humans, each increased the temperatures 1 degree (Celsius I believe - I can't find the link).

When you can't trust MythBusters, who can you trust?

 

[Troublemane]

Which proves...what?

 

[yossarian22]

Which proves...what?

That putting extra chemicals with a large absorption range and known insulative properties into a sealed Plexiglas box results in an increase in temperature.

How exactly was this mythbusting? A two year old could have confirmed the results. Unless somebody is idiotic enough to believe that a sealed Plexiglas box somehow accurately represents the Earth....

 

[Mathematician]

That putting extra chemicals with a large absorption range and known insulative properties into a sealed Plexiglas box results in an increase in temperature.

How exactly was this mythbusting? A two year old could have confirmed the results. Unless somebody is idiotic enough to believe that a sealed Plexiglas box somehow accurately represents the Earth....

Seeing as how the ozone layer acts as a sealant for CO2 and methane, the test figures are quite accurate.

A two year old could have confirmed the results.

Apparently 40-year old politicians can't figure it out for themselves.

 

[yossarian22]

Seeing as how the ozone layer acts as a sealant for CO2 and methane, the test figures are quite accurate.

The 'ozone layer' does not act like a sealant.
The density of CO2 works better than O3 ever can. And if O3 does seal CO2 (and it turns out my knowledge of chemistry is totally innacurate), then that gaping hole in the Antarctic can't be all bad eh? I never liked penguins anyhow.

Apparently 40-year old politicians can't figure it out for themselves.

So, you are arguing that a planet covered in numerous complex, chaotic systems all interconnected to form something we call the climate can be accurately simulated by a Plexiglas box? Put a plant in there with some water and maybe you have a better result. Even then, not really. Nothing ever scales right.

 

[Troublemane]

that was my question, was how could it scale accurately? If that was an accurate scale, a one degree shift in a plexiglass box should equal a similar shift of many degrees on earth, right? I mean, what about the actual facts that tell us yes, there is glacial melting ...but theres also increases in glaciation elsewhere. and the actual numbers which show the average temperature of the planet has warmed maybe 1/2 degree Fahrenheit over the last century. The actual numbers do not support the theory, sorry.

 

[Mathematician]

So, you are arguing that a planet covered in numerous complex, chaotic systems all interconnected to form something we call the climate can be accurately simulated by a Plexiglas box?

Straw man. I said in full, "Co2 and methane gas, when introduced separately to the experiments at the rate thought to be caused by humans, each increased the temperatures 1 degree." One argument in circulation around the internets and political sphere is that the level of Co2 produced by humans (3-4%) isn't enough to create temperature changes. The MythBusters program rejected this claim on a micro-scale. All experiments still have variables, of course, but this does break through another bit of the "skeptics'" armor.

then that gaping hole in the Antarctic can't be all bad eh?

Funny thing is, the hole is shrinking due to human efforts to reduce CFC... but apparently humans can't do anything to Earth's climate, eh?

The 'ozone layer' does not act like a sealant.

For heat? Yes it does. Gases are the primary (arguably only) composition of any and all ozone layers in the universe. Heat is "trapped" (simplification, obviously) as a consequence.

 

[yossarian22]

Straw man. I said in full, "Co2 and methane gas, when introduced separately to the experiments at the rate thought to be caused by humans, each increased the temperatures 1 degree." One argument in circulation around the internets and political sphere is that the level of Co2 produced by humans (3-4%) isn't enough to create temperature changes. The MythBusters program rejected this claim on a micro-scale. All experiments still have variables, of course, but this does break through another bit of the "skeptics'" armor.

Eh, not really, The claim is that 3-4% is not a significant driver of temperature change.
This only convinces people who were already convinced. If you think that this shows anything meaningful, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Assuming they had the composition of air right, they did not have the system right. Le Chatlier Principle at work. Soil solubility, increased plant growth, shifting of CO2 consuming reactions to the left... they got none of that. Hell, they did not even have exposure to external energy done right.
And then there is this issue of scaling, which means that there results show nothing.

Funny thing is, the hole is shrinking due to human efforts to reduce CFC... but apparently humans can't do anything to Earth's climate, eh?

Ah yes, the claim I apparently made somewhere or the other. Oh wait, that's right, you are shoehorning words into my mouth.
Anyhow, ozone=/=climate.
Ozone absorbs UV rays. On another interesting note, the Montreal Protocols might not have done anything, as the hole over the Antarctic appears to be cyclical. It is irrelevant anyhow.

For heat? Yes it does. Gases are the primary (arguably only) composition of any and all ozone layers in the universe. Heat is "trapped" (simplification, obviously) as a consequence.

What the hell are you blabbering about?
The only thing that is present in the Ozone Layer is (drumroll please) Ozone. Good old O3. An unstable flavor of oxygen. So if ozone layers are present throughout the universe, there is oxygen present throughout the universe.

The notion of a "sealant" is absurd. A greenhouse gas does not "seal" heat in; it absorbs heat. When light strikes a CO2 molecule, the molecule absorbs the energy and has an increase in velocity (temperature). This velocity is imparted into the surroundings. There is no "sealant" at all. The only thing that prevents the atmosphere of the Earth from peeling right off is gravity.