• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Did Christ really exist ?

Status
Not open for further replies.
joelr

joelr

Well-Known Member
YoursTrue said:
Nevertheless, no other group than the Jews long-standing has made the claim that God gave THEM the Ten Commandments, have they?
Click to expand...


That is an odd claim? Every culture had a fully fledged religion, Gods, laws given by the God and so on.
The Canaanites (who the Israelites came from) had a similar mythology:
"At the center of Canaanite religion was royal concern for religious and political legitimacy and the imposition of a divinely ordained legal structure, as well as peasant emphasis on fertility of the crops, flocks, and humans"
Ancient Canaanite religion - Wikipedia

The Israelites didn't say "GOD" gave them commandments they said Yahweh gave them commandments.
Every nation had their own God, the Canannites had EL. El gave them laws.


Egyptain commandments (given by their Gods)

The 42 Commandments of Ancient Egypt


These are the original Afrikan-Kemetic spiritual: 42 commandments
Trinicenter.com - Dr. Kwame Nantambu - Real Origin of the Ten Commandments

The Egyptain code of Hamurabi had over 200 laws from their Gods.

Code of Hammurabi
287 laws from Egyptian deities.


Having a code of 10 commandments, many about how you cannot have freedom of religion, is fewer than other nations had before that time. The Canaanite laws have been lost but they surely had their own.

Every single nation had a main God who was the god of everything. Each nation claimed their Gods gave them laws. Yet somehow these Gods (including Yahweh) couldn't influence other nations or even get a mention? Because they were made up. The 10 commandments were based on older Egyptain laws that they picked a few from. All of the 10 commandments are in the Code of Hammurabi which is much older.

In the OT we see myths taken from older cultures, laws used in other cultures, these laws and stories were not because they are real but because in those days people needed a religion, Gods to worship and obey.

Hinduism also has 10 commandments:

Hindu Yamas and Niyamas and the Ten Commandments
 
Last edited:
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Brian2 said:
When the newer critical methods of examination were brought in, which included the idea that prophecy is not true, then dates after or possibly a little before the destruction of the temple were achieved.
Click to expand...
Exactly.

Brian2 said:
So it was the burden of non belief which necessitated the later dating.
Click to expand...
OK.

Brian2 said:
The synoptic gospels could have been written after 70 AD and still recorded a true prophecy.
Click to expand...
:D

Brian2 said:
It seems however that it is things mentioned and not mentioned in Acts (written by Luke) which date the writing of that document to pre 70AD ...
Click to expand...
From Wikipedia: Luke ...

The author is anonymous;[6] the traditional view that it was Luke the Evangelist, the companion of Paul, is still occasionally put forward, but the scholarly consensus emphasises the many contradictions between Acts and the authentic Pauline letters.[7][8]

The most probable date for its composition is around AD 80–110, and there is evidence that it was still being revised well into the 2nd century.[9]​

Schnelle dates the gospel to "the period around 90 CE."

Brian2 said:
It seems also that the Lukan Gospel was quoted in one of the epistles to Timothy.
Click to expand...
Schnelle writes that "the overwhelming majority of exegetes regard the Pastoral as pseudepigraphical writings," and dates them "to the period around 100 CE."
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
How charmingly imaginative. :)
Click to expand...

Those of us who have haunted the hallowed halls of academia are well aware that PhD
holders engage in lively dispute with opposite
opinions.

And that a PhD does not indicate a person is not full of ****. (The stinky stuff)
 
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Heyo said:
Nope. At least not according to his own writings. He had a hallucination (vision), probably due to an epileptic episode.
Click to expand...

Psychologist Gary Collins said that he didn't see signs that Jesus was suffering from any mental illness.
 
Last edited:
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Heyo said:
Damn pronoun game. I thought it was obvious that I was talking about Paul, not Jesus.
Click to expand...
I was using an analogy about Paul. Paul didn't brag about his past, he had nothing to gain from what he talked about. He talked normally and with insight about moral issues.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
I was using an analogy about Paul. Paul didn't brag about his past, he had nothing to gain from what he talked about. He talked normally and with insight about moral issues.
Click to expand...
How can you confidently assert he had nothing to gain?

The world is full of self-styled ptophets and holy men. What do you know of their real beliefs and motives? Zero.

For that matter, the obviously fake snake story
purporting to show he was under gods protection is a self promoting lie.
 
Last edited:
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Skywalker said:
We don't have to have the original writers work a hundred percent to have proof about the New Testament.
Click to expand...
I have no disagreement with that.

The result is odd, though, not a single eyewitness, five different Jesuses which we can roughly group as Paul's & John's, Mark's, Matthew's & Luke's, of which Mark's is the only actual bio of an earthly Jesus, Paul largely ignoring that aspect, and the authors of Matthew, Luke and (at a larger distance) John, re-editing and re-writing Mark to their individual taste.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
He read the descriptions of Jesus in the Bible.
Click to expand...
I bet he was a Christian who would never come to any other conclusion.

An honest appraisal would say that no indication of mental illness appears in the
scanty and unreliable record.
 
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
How can you confidently assert he had nothing to gain?

The world is full of self-styled ptophets and holy men. What do you know of their real beliefs and motives? Zero.

For that matter, the obviously fake snake story
purporting to show he was under gods protection is a self promoting lie.

I am bot favorably imoressed.
Click to expand...

Paul didn't talk in detail about his past. A person who says they changed but gives the details about their past life is very questionable. He said that he persecuted Christians he didn't say that he persecuted a certain number of people or a certain number of towns.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
Paul didn't talk in detail about his past. A person who says they changed but gives the details about their past life is very questionable. He said that he persecuted Christians he didn't say that he persecuted a certain number of people or a certain number of towns.
Click to expand...

I know all of that.

None of it is a response to my post. Did you read it?
 
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
I bet he was a Christian who would never come to any other conclusion.

An honest appraisal would say that no indication of mental illness appears in the
scanty and unreliable record.
Click to expand...

The Bible is not unreliable. It was written by sixty six different authors with the same message of seeking God. The Old and New Testament have the same message of an advocate redeemer mediator messiah.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top