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Did God control Dark Ages.. or was it just fate?

SonOfNun

SonOfNun

Member
In the Dark Ages there were kings,upon rulers,upon popes who tried to stop a movement that would one day sweep the world. That was freedom, the idea that a man could think for himself, and that the people were the supreme power.

So my question is, did God have a hand in this, or was it just fate? Oh, and by the way the Pope was NOT God's representative, so don't even go there. :angel2:
 
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FatMan

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There were some kingdoms who promoted freedom. Was that the work of God??

I think the Dark Ages weren't the work of anyone but power-hungry people who were able to influence those below them. Pretty much the same as politics today with one main difference - it was easier as an organized group to run roughshod over the unorganized.
 
SonOfNun

SonOfNun

Member
There were some kingdoms who promoted freedom. Was that the work of God??

I think the Dark Ages weren't the work of anyone but power-hungry people who were able to influence those below them. Pretty much the same as politics today with one main difference - it was easier as an organized group to run roughshod over the unorganized.
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yes, I do think God used the kingdoms that promoted freedom, the pilgrims flew to Holland during the time of King James, and from there they found a ship two ships to America.
 
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FatMan

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SonOfNun said:
yes, I do think God used the kingdoms that promoted freedom, the pilgrims flew to Holland during the time of King James, and from there they found a ship two ships to America.
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So in other words, God had no hand in lawless kingdoms - only in those who promoted freedom??

Alrighty then. This sheds light on one head scratcher. I now know why my sales of ice cubes in Alaska have jumped recently.
 
SonOfNun

SonOfNun

Member
FatMan said:
So in other words, God had no hand in lawless kingdoms - only in those who promoted freedom??

Alrighty then. This sheds light on one head scratcher. I now know why my sales of ice cubes in Alaska have jumped recently.
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No, God used James to drive the pilgrims out of england to America so that we could have,"one nation under God".
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If I remember right, it was termed "The Dark Ages" due to most of society being uneducated and illeterat, and a very basic level of technology and arts.
The following era in history, the Renaissance, was called so due to a new type of thinking, in which people broke from the Church, and started to be educated and make scientifica advances, and many advances in various forms of art.

Man is definitly to blame for this, as science was frowned upon and looked at as "witchcraft." People were also killed for not believing, practicing science and medicine, writing certian things, and even just acting odd. To even go against what the church claimed was heresy.

Also, it was rare for anyone outside of a nobel birth or the clergy to be educated. This was also a major factor in the extremely low technology and scienctific advances. Granted, The Black Plague is probably the single greatest factor that lead to the decline of the Fuedal system, which inevitable lead to the decline of the Dark Ages, and gave birth to the Renaissance.
 
SonOfNun

SonOfNun

Member
Luke Wolf said:
If I remember right, it was termed "The Dark Ages" due to most of society being uneducated and illeterat, and a very basic level of technology and arts.
The following era in history, the Renaissance, was called so due to a new type of thinking, in which people broke from the Church, and started to be educated and make scientifica advances, and many advances in various forms of art.

Man is definitly to blame for this, as science was frowned upon and looked at as "witchcraft." People were also killed for not believing, practicing science and medicine, writing certian things, and even just acting odd. To even go against what the church claimed was heresy.

Also, it was rare for anyone outside of a nobel birth or the clergy to be educated. This was also a major factor in the extremely low technology and scienctific advances. Granted, The Black Plague is probably the single greatest factor that lead to the decline of the Fuedal system, which inevitable lead to the decline of the Dark Ages, and gave birth to the Renaissance.
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I will agree with about everything you just said. All I am trying to say is that I believe God was "directing", if you will, the dark ages. The "church" and the pope had obviously fallen and were using their power for evil rather then good. But God used men like John Wycliffe,John Huss, and many others to help direct his plan. Do I pretend to know his plan... no I do not. I believe the dark ages might have been one of the key times to help set the world up for the end times. Again I still have a little bit of studying to do before I am fully ready to present a full solid case.. I mean, I am only in high school.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I doubt God would have controled, or wanted anything to do with, the Dark Ages. After all, he told his followers to "love thy neighbor and feed your enemies." The Dark Ages can be summed up one part - massive amounts of bloodshed, wars, and the deaths of countless innocents in the name of God.
 
nutshell

nutshell

Well-Known Member
SonOfNun said:
In the Dark Ages there were kings,upon rulers,upon popes who tried to stop a movement that would one day sweep the world. That was freedom, the idea that a man could think for himself, and that the people were the supreme power.

So my question is, did God have a hand in this, or was it just fate? Oh, and by the way the Pope was NOT God's representative, so don't even go there. :angel2:
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The so-called Dark Ages were the result of Man not God, IMO. I, personally, don't believe in the "Dark Ages." Did Europe have a time when they suffered spiritually, economically, academically, and so on? Yes. But guess what? The Muslim world was alive and well and progressing in the arts and sciences in a spectacular way. If not for Islam, we would have lost our own Western philosophies.
 
SonOfNun

SonOfNun

Member
Luke Wolf said:
I doubt God would have controled, or wanted anything to do with, the Dark Ages. After all, he told his followers to "love thy neighbor and feed your enemies." The Dark Ages can be summed up one part - massive amounts of bloodshed, wars, and the deaths of countless innocents in the name of God.
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Doesn't the bible say that God uses the wrong doings of men for his own glory. Not that he likes the sin, and its not like God wanted all of it to happen. But man eat of the tree, so now God in his infinite mercy and love began a plan so that all that would believe on the name of the His Son would go to heaven.
 
cturne

cturne

servant of God
SonOfNun said:
Doesn't the bible say that God uses the wrong doings of men for his own glory. Not that he likes the sin, and its not like God wanted all of it to happen. But man eat of the tree, so now God in his infinite mercy and love began a plan so that all that would believe on the name of the His Son would go to heaven.
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I think the verse you are thinking of is Romans 8:28: "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

I underlined the 'all things' because that means everything - good AND bad. It is a very comforting verse.
 
SonOfNun

SonOfNun

Member
sorta but not exactly... Thats more talking about an individual. What were talking about here is the history of the world.. but yeah almost the same thing.
 
Booko

Booko

Deviled Hen
SonOfNun said:
No, God used James to drive the pilgrims out of england to America so that we could have,"one nation under God".
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You are aware, I hope, that the pledge didn't exist until until the Civil War and that the "under God" part is only as recent as my existence on Earth?

(I wonder what we were under for nearly two centuries before?)
 
Valjean

Valjean

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Looking back at several thousand years of war, strife and misery, I'd have to say that if God were taking an active hand in directing human history, He's doing a d*** poor job of it.
 
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