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Did Hitler really hate the Jews?

finalfrogo

Well-Known Member
Did Hitler personally hate the Jews, or did he just spread a contemptuous disposition towards them to gain political power and popular support?
 

standing_on_one_foot

Well-Known Member
I'm gonna go with yeah, he really did.

Now, he didn't need to spread a "contemptuous disposition" toward Jews and the other people the Nazis targeted to gain power, seeing as, really, there was already one waiting for him. Not in everyone, of course, but it was there. And you don't tend to go in for genocide without at least a little emotion. Scapegoating, yes, attacks, yes, but full-on systematic extermination? He wrote about his anti-Semitism himself, and had it some time before the possibility of his gaining power came up. Before WWI, I believe. That just seems too far in advance.

Plus, he had Germany's economic and political situation to go on. That was what really got him into power.

But really, it comes down to lots of evidence that he did hate Jews (and, frankly, a whole lot of people) and none that he didn't.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Yes, he did.


From Wikipedia


It was in Vienna that Hitler first became an active anti-Semite. This was a common stance among Austrians at the time, mixing traditional religious prejudice with recent racist theories. Vienna had a large Jewish community, including many Orthodox Jews from Eastern Europe. (See History of Vienna.) Hitler was slowly influenced over time by the writings of the race ideologist and anti-Semite Lanz von Liebenfels and polemics from politicians such as Karl Lueger, founder of the Christian Social Party and mayor of Vienna, and Georg Ritter von Schönerer, leader of the pan-Germanic Away from Rome! movement. He later wrote in his book Mein Kampf that his transition from opposing anti-Semitism on religious grounds to supporting it on racial grounds came from having seen an Orthodox Jew:
"There were very few Jews in Linz. In the course of centuries the Jews who lived there had become Europeanized in external appearance and were so much like other human beings that I even looked upon them as Germans. The reason why I did not then perceive the absurdity of such an illusion was that the only external mark which I recognized as distinguishing them from us was the practice of their strange religion. As I thought that they were persecuted on account of their faith my aversion to hearing remarks against them grew almost into a feeling of abhorrence. I did not in the least suspect that there could be such a thing as a systematic anti-Semitism.
Once, when passing through the inner City, I suddenly encountered a phenomenon in a long caftan and wearing black side-locks. My first thought was: Is this a Jew? They certainly did not have this appearance in Linz. I watched the man stealthily and cautiously but the longer I gazed at the strange countenance and examined it feature by feature, the more the question shaped itself in my brain: Is this a German?"
(Mein Kampf, vol. 1, chap. 2: "Years of study and suffering in Vienna")
Hitler began to claim the Jews were natural enemies of what he called the Aryan race. He held them responsible for Austria's crisis. He also identified certain forms of Socialism and especially Bolshevism, which had many Jews among its leaders, as Jewish movements, merging his anti-Semitism with anti-Marxism. Blaming Germany's military defeat on the 1917 Revolutions, he considered Jews the culprit of Imperial Germany's military defeat and subsequent economic problems as well.
Hitler's obsession with the Jews sometimes verged on the ridiculous. He blamed personal misfortunes on the Jews and especially on rabbis.



A lot of it was because of the "Master Race" idea and the eugenics that Hitler followed.

Jews, were considered inferior to the Ayran race- along with the Roma and Slavic people (Poles, Russians, etc).
The handicapped and disabled were also sterilized and slaughtered as they were considered "inferior" also.
Communists, Socialists, and Jehovah's Witnesses were targeted for their beliefs as being politcal and religious dissidents.
Homosexuals were also persecuted because they did not fit the "ideals" of the "Master Race"- those of that race were to be heterosexual and reproduce and make many healthy and strong white babies.

It's all so terrible... :(
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
finalfrogo said:
Did Hitler personally hate the Jews, or did he just spread a contemptuous disposition towards them to gain political power and popular support?

yes

nuff said.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
jamaesi said:
Yes, he did.


From Wikipedia






A lot of it was because of the "Master Race" idea and the eugenics that Hitler followed.

Jews, were considered inferior to the Ayran race- along with the Roma and Slavic people (Poles, Russians, etc).
The handicapped and disabled were also sterilized and slaughtered as they were considered "inferior" also.
Communists, Socialists, and Jehovah's Witnesses were targeted for their beliefs as being politcal and religious dissidents.
Homosexuals were also persecuted because they did not fit the "ideals" of the "Master Race"- those of that race were to be heterosexual and reproduce and make many healthy and strong white babies.

It's all so terrible... :(

I thought Hilter hated Jews is because he knew the the Jews are smarter than the Germans, and he was afraid of the Jews. He just used the excuse to remove inferior human race as an excuse to exterminate a race that he feared may outdo German?
 

standing_on_one_foot

Well-Known Member
greatcalgarian said:
I thought Hilter hated Jews is because he knew the the Jews are smarter than the Germans, and he was afraid of the Jews. He just used the excuse to remove inferior human race as an excuse to exterminate a race that he feared may outdo German?
Possible, but it seems unlikely. Maybe in some strange subconcious way. I think he did believe the whole "Jews run the world" thing and were the cause of Germany's problems. But I think he also believed the inferiority thing.
 

Deut 13:1

Well-Known Member
finalfrogo said:
Did Hitler personally hate the Jews, or did he just spread a contemptuous disposition towards them to gain political power and popular support?
Yes, it's why he murdered millions upon millions of Jews including my great-grandparents.
 

Jon

Member
Oh he sure did hate the Jews.
The strangest thing is that he (Hitler) was part Jewish himself. :confused:
The way he had the chain of command was, all his generals were trying to backstab each other to gain his favor.
The final solution wasn't Hitlers alone, he allowed it to be implamented.
Hitler was an evolutionist. Which allowed him to accept the notion of one race being
supperior to another. This is in part why we have race hatred today.
Survival of the fittest. Darwins 1st Edition was entitled:

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
October, 1859

Preservation of Favoured Races in the struggle for life?
It's raceism!!
 
No he was joking :rolleyes: he just forgot to tell everyone before he slotted himself in the bunker. See the man's a fool, everyone knows comedy is all about timing.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Jon said:
Oh he sure did hate the Jews.
The strangest thing is that he (Hitler) was part Jewish himself. :confused:

Consider there's a history of gays who couldn't accept their nature and took it upon themselves to abuse homosexuals.

It seems inconceivable to people who aren't extremely neurotic, so I guess be happy you are confused by this. :)

The way he had the chain of command was, all his generals were trying to backstab each other to gain his favor.

Well, that's not such an abnormal thing with generals. You don't just get to be a general by being good at your job -- there's a *lot* of politics at that level.

Hitler was an evolutionist. Which allowed him to accept the notion of one race being supperior to another. This is in part why we have race hatred today.
Survival of the fittest. Darwins 1st Edition was entitled:

Oh, I don't think Darwin had anything to do with race hatred. It's been along for a very very long time.

That some people latched onto Darwin's scientific work and abused it says no more about Darwin than the fact that some people have latched onto various religious texts and abused them says about those religious texts.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
greatcalgarian said:
I thought Hilter hated Jews is because he knew the the Jews are smarter than the Germans, and he was afraid of the Jews. He just used the excuse to remove inferior human race as an excuse to exterminate a race that he feared may outdo German?

ummm no...Hitler most def. thought the Jews an inferior race of beings...not even human. They were a plague upon humanity and had to be taken care of...this was his mindset.
 
Some historians suggest that Hitler was educated during his life by experiences and actions which led to him to feel a dislike of Jews, he then realised that his ideas were aligned with the political activists of the time, such as Karl Leuger, and forwarded his policies to rid Germany of a genuine cultural problem. Should this theory be accurate, it would suggest that Hitler had a deep running personal animosity towards to Jewish people. This would obviously shape German policy against the Jews once he assumed near total power. This camp gains the notable support of historians such as Bracher and Sachar . The second camp however suggests that Hitler had a desire to steer Germany to prosperity and realised he needed to be in power to do this. As such he saw the examples set by Leuger in Vienna and his contemporaries whereby anti-Semitic policies on the election trail were openly used in a manner in which to stimulate populist opinions among the working and lower-middle classes. Should this theory be true, it would suggest that Hitler had little or no animosity towards to Jews and that the Nazi treatment of them was a public relations exercise taken to extremes.

Both theories carry some logical reasoning. Hitler spent an amount of time in Vienna at the time in which Carl Leuger was the mayor of the city. Leuger was openly anti-Semitic in his policy choices. This gave him an electoral win backed by what has now been described as a wave of "anti-Semitic mob mentality" . It is possible that the young Hitler, who was around his mid twenties at this point, was influenced in either of the two theories expressed above. Hitler was in the lower-middle class in Vienna and so it is easily possible to link him with the group of people who had been influenced against the Jews by Leuger. Historians such as Elon would argue that this is probably where he picked up the majority of his anti-Semitic feelings. Others, such as {Albert S Lindemann|Lindemann] may well be inclined to suggest that Hitler saw the power which Leuger gained by simply suggesting that he would rid Vienna of the Jews. Hitler must also have noticed that while Leuger talked a good anti-Semitic policy, his actions were minimal. This suggests that Leuger was simply using the Jews as a tool, if Hitler was copying this method to gain power, it would suggest that there was very little personal animosity but rather a desire for control.

Historians are divided on what influence played on Hitlers life.

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=855465
 
In my opinon it was a show for the common people. In Mein Kaumpf he never advocates the killing of the Jews, but rather the subujation of the Jews. I believe that he did not advocate the mass slaughter of the Jews, but it was something done behind his back so to speak.

Hitler Interview in the New York Staatszeitung, 1933.

"Why does the world shed crocodile’s tears over the richly merited fate of a small Jewish minority? … I ask Roosevelt, I ask the American people: Are you prepared to receive in your midst these well-poisoners of the German people and the universal spirit of Christianity? We would willingly give everyone of them a free steamer-ticket and a thousand-mark note for travelling expenses, if we could get rid of them." (Quoted in N H Baynes, The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, Oxford University Press, 1942, Volume I, pp.727-28)

Rosenberg, Alfred

"Anti-Semitism is the unifying element of the reconstruction of Germany."

(Referred to at the Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Vol.3, Nuremberg, 1947, p. 35)

"Germany will regard the Jewish question as solved only after the very last Jew has left the greater German living space... Europe will have its Jewish question solved only after the very last Jew has left the continent." (Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Vol.3, Nuremberg, 1947, p. 35)

Now I'm playing devil's advocate, but there is evidence that he wanted them dead or not. There is evidence whether he used the idea as a stepping stone or not.
 

WARTORIOUS

Member
However we won the second world war and now the Jews have majority control over the western world in politics and economics. (don't beileve me? go reserch it and you will then)
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
However we won the second world war and now the Jews have majority control over the western world in politics and economics. (don't beileve me? go reserch it and you will then)
Why don't you offer some proof for that little bit of anti-Semitism? Or shall I pick up some duck's milk and cow eggs while I'm out researching? :rolleyes:


As Jon Stewart said, if Jews really controlled the media then he wouldn't be on some late night cable fake news show.
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
TimetoWasteTimeToWait said:
I believe that he did not advocate the mass slaughter of the Jews, but it was something done behind his back so to speak.

*sigh*
 
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