Did Jesus and or Mary ever believe in Trinity?

[paarsurrey]

In the Bible, Jesus talks extensively about the Father and the Son in many different verses. In a couple of verses, Jesus also mentions the Holy Spirit.

So he obviously believed in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, even though he may not used the word Trinity.

Wasn't Jesus eloquent? Please
Had Jesus believed in Trinity, he would have spoken it clearly. What would have happened to him if Jesus and Mary had spoken the word Trinity from their mouth. Obviously Jesus and or Mary never believed in it.
Please quote from Mary if one could.
Regards

 

[soulsurvivor]

Wasn't Jesus eloquent? Please
Had Jesus believed in Trinity, he would have spoken it clearly. What would have happened to him if Jesus and Mary had spoken the word Trinity from their mouth. Obviously Jesus and or Mary never believed in it.
Please quote from Mary if one could.
Regards

We don't know anything about what Mary believed. She is not quoted anywhere in the Bible.

If you don't want to call the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit, as the Trinity just because Jesus did not explicitly use the word, that is OK. But there are still three of them whether you like it or not.

Hinduism also has three main Gods - Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma - that is also a Trinity. So this concept is not unique to Christianity.

 

[loverofhumanity]

In the Bible, Jesus talks extensively about the Father and the Son in many different verses. In a couple of verses, Jesus also mentions the Holy Spirit.

So he obviously believed in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, even though he may not used the word Trinity.

They all exist just only one is God, the Father.

It's like the sun can exist independently of its rays but the rays cannot exist without the sun. God does not need the Holy Spirit or Christ to exist but both Christ and the Holy Spirit are creations of God and need Him to exist.

 

[soulsurvivor]

They all exist just only one is God, the Father.

It's like the sun can exist independently of its rays but the rays cannot exist without the sun. God does not need the Holy Spirit or Christ to exist but both Christ and the Holy Spirit are creations of God and need Him to exist.

You are entitled to your opinion. But to answer the original question, Jesus mentioned all three and Hinduism has a similar trinity.

 

[loverofhumanity]

You are entitled to your opinion. But to answer the original question, Jesus mentioned all three and Hinduism has a similar trinity.

Yes that is correct and we believe that there is God, the Prophets and the Holy Spirit but only that God is indivisible and one.

 

[paarsurrey]

You are entitled to your opinion. But to answer the original question, Jesus mentioned all three and Hinduism has a similar trinity.

Yes that is correct and we believe that there is God, the Prophets and the Holy Spirit but only that God is indivisible and one.

Veda and Jesus mentioned no Trinity. Please
Regards

 

[soulsurvivor]

Veda and Jesus mentioned no Trinity. Please
Regards

As I said before, you can ignore the word Trinity. However, Jesus mentioned all three Gods - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma are mentioned in plenty of Hindus scriptures. In fact the main Hindu sects are named after the first two and whole cycle of creation is attributed to Brahma. So both religions have a 'Trinity' or whatever you want to call it. 'Please'.

 

[paarsurrey]

As I said before, you can ignore the word Trinity. However, Jesus mentioned all three Gods - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma are mentioned in plenty of Hindus scriptures. In fact the main Hindu sects are named after the first two and whole cycle of creation is attributed to Brahma. So both religions have a 'Trinity' or whatever you want to call it. 'Please'.

Why should one ignore Trinity, when it is one of the principle belief of Christianity, though Jesus and Mary never believed it?
If Christian could be wrong, "Hinduism" people could make the same mistake. Please
Veda does not mention any Trinity. Please
Regards

 

[Reggie Miller]

Lazarus was not medically dead. He revived from a coma. Please
Jesus was a physician also.
Regards

Prove it.

That is your opinion, with no basis of truth except your own assumptive truth.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Why should one ignore Trinity, when it is one of the principle belief of Christianity, though Jesus and Mary never believed it?
If Christian could be wrong, "Hinduism" people could make the same mistake. Please
Veda does not mention any Trinity. Please
Regards

How do you know Jesus and Mary did not believe it? Jesus mentioned all three Gods and as I said before many Hindu scriptures mention three main Gods (Vedas may use different names).

Nobody is forcing you to believe in the Trinity, but as far as majority of Christians and majority of Hindus is concerned, it is a settled belief.

Someday soon the next Avatar will appear and if you are alive at that time, he will convince of that fact. Until then you can believe what you want.

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you know Jesus and Mary did not believe it? Jesus mentioned all three Gods and as I said before many Hindu scriptures mention three main Gods (Vedas may use different names).

Nobody is forcing you to believe in the Trinity, but as far as majority of Christians and majority of Hindus is concerned, it is a settled belief.

Someday soon the next Avatar will appear and if you are alive at that time, he will convince of that fact. Until then you can believe what you want.

Truth is never seen in terms of majority or minority. When Jesus emerged in Jerusalem riding with his mother, they were Just two of them. Please
Regards

 

[soulsurvivor]

Truth is never seen in terms of majority or minority. When Jesus emerged in Jerusalem riding with his mother, they were Just two of them. Please
Regards

How do you know what is the truth? Who told you the truth - is it your own version?

Jesus has clearly mentioned all three Gods - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you search the Bible you will find Jesus mentioning the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - all three. Do you need chapter/verse or can you search on your own?

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you know what is the truth? Who told you the truth - is it your own version?

Jesus has clearly mentioned all three Gods - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you search the Bible you will find Jesus mentioning the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - all three. Do you need chapter/verse or can you search on your own?

Truth revealed Himself on Muhammad, he and his companions committed it to their memory and passed it over from generation to generation as a first secure measure, as a second measure Muhammad dictated to the scribes as and when revealed. Both measures support one another and have reached our time. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you know what is the truth? Who told you the truth - is it your own version?

Jesus has clearly mentioned all three Gods - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you search the Bible you will find Jesus mentioning the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - all three. Do you need chapter/verse or can you search on your own?

Jesus always mentioned One-God.
Gospels are narrated by scribes and doctored by Paul. Jesus never wrote them or authorized anybody to write on his behalf. These were never shown to Jesus, he was unaware of them. Please
Regards

 

[soulsurvivor]

Jesus always mentioned One-God.
Gospels are narrated by scribes and doctored by Paul. Jesus never wrote them or authorized anybody to write on his behalf. These were never shown to Jesus, he was unaware of them. Please
Regards

How do you know Jesus always mentioned one God? Were you there to hear what he said?

In John 14:13, Jesus says: "You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father." - That is two Gods that Jesus mentions.
In Mark 3:29, Jesus says "whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven;" . So now he has mentioned all three.

I understand, that you don't think Jesus is God. But don't keep saying what you think Jesus said - because there is no way for you to know.

Anyway, according to you Mirza Ahmad is the return of Jesus, so is that how you know what Jesus (aka Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) mentioned about God? All Christians (and most Muslims) don't believe that Ahmad is the Second Coming of Jesus (or of the Mahdi), so just read the Bible to find out what Jesus said.

 

[Ben Avraham]

How do you know Jesus always mentioned one God? Were you there to hear what he said?

In John 14:13, Jesus says: "You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father." - That is two Gods that Jesus mentions.
In Mark 3:29, Jesus says "whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven;" . So now he has mentioned all three.

I understand, that you don't think Jesus is God. But don't keep saying what you think Jesus said - because there is no way for you to know.

Anyway, according to you Mirza Ahmad is the return of Jesus, so is that how you know what Jesus (aka Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) mentioned about God? All Christians (and most Muslims) don't believe that Ahmad is the Second Coming of Jesus (or of the Mahdi), so just read the Bible to find out what Jesus said.

I know from the fact that Jesus was a Jew and his gospel was the Tanach. The Tanach speaks of God as of an absolute Oneness. (Deuteronomy 6:4) That's about the "Shema" which is acknowledged by all Jews throughout the world and by some non-trinitarian Christians.

 

[Ben Avraham]

He did not simply repeat the Torah. From the Mishnah;
Moses received Torah at Sinai and handed it on to Joshua, Joshua to elders, and elders to prophets. And prophets handed it on to the men of the great assembly. They said three things: "Be prudent in judgment. Raise up many disciples. Make a fence for the Torah." It is proper for a sage to receive but also to hand on meaning, to take over the heritage of Sinai, and to hand over to the next generation something that this sage has added to the heritage of Sinai.
And so it begins, the "You have heard is said.......But I say to you....."

"...but I can say to you" is not Jewish. "But" is a preposition to imply the opposite of what follows..." Jesus never mentioned that. The opposite is rather true that he would teach to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)

 

[Ben Avraham]

FLOGGING, punishment by beating or whipping. This at all times has been the instinctive way to inflict disciplinary *punishment: a parent "disciplines" his son by beating him (cf. Deut. 8:5; 21:18; Prov. 19:18; 23:13–14; 29:17) as does a master his slave (Ex. 21:20,26). More than any other punishment, flogging is a means of correction rather than retribution, and, being a substitute for the capital punishment which, in the rabbinic view, every violator of God's word properly deserves, it reflects God's infinite mercy (cf. Sanh. 10a, Rashi ibid.).

In Biblical Law

It appears that, where no other punishment was expressly prescribed, flogging was in biblical law the standard punishment for all offenses (Deut. 25:2). The exegetical difficulties which arose in view of the preceding verse (25:1) gave rise to such restrictive interpretations as that the law of flogging applied only in limited cases of assault (Ibn Ezra, ibid.) or perjury (cf. Mak. 2b); but there need not necessarily be any connection between the two verses – the former being construed as a self-contained exhortation to do justice in civil cases as well as in cases of mutual criminal accusations (cf. Mid. Tan. to 25:1). It is noteworthy that flogging is the only punishment mentioned in the Bible as a general rule, and not in relation to any particular offense (but cf. Deut. 21:22 regarding postmortem hangings; see also *Capital Punishment), the only exception being the flogging prescribed, in addition to a *fine, for the slanderer of a virgin (Deut. 22:18).

The maximum number of strokes to be administered in any one case is 40 (Deut. 25:3), "lest being flogged further, to excess, your brother is degraded before your eyes" (ibid.). While this number was later understood as the standard, fixed number of strokes to be administered in each case (less one), there is no valid reason to assume that it was not in factintended and regarded as a maximum limit – the preceding words, "as his guilt warrants" (25:2) indicating that the number of strokes was to be determined in each individual case according to the gravity of the offense, provided only they did not exceed the prescribed maximum. The scriptural intention to prevent any "degradation" of the human person is served by the fact that no discretion was allowed to the judges, who may tend to harshness or cruelty (Ibn Ezra, ibid.). There is norecord of the manner in which floggings were administered in biblical times. Various instruments of beating are mentioned in the Bible (Judg. 8:7, 16; Prov. 10:13; 26:3; I Kings 12:11, 14; et al.), but any conclusion that they (or any of them) were the instruments used in judicial floggings is unwarranted.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0007_0_06574.html

Very good, no doubt but, I was speaking about flogging as a prelude to break the natural resistance or reaction of the Jews at the act of being crucified. And this method was a common measure applied by the Romans to every one condemned to the cross.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Lazarus was not medically dead. He revived from a coma. Please
Jesus was a physician also.
Regards

Your partiality here is astounding! But I understand, as Christian preconceived notions take precedence. Lazarus, 4 days already in the tomb, revived from a coma and Jesus had only about 3 hours when he was removed from the cross and you cannot accept the idea that he was still alive when Joseph took him down the cross. No wonder even Pilate was suspicious that something was wrong for Jesus to be already dead after about 3 hours on the cross and called the Centurion to go with Joseph to make sure that Jesus was already dead. Since it was quite a way up to the Calvary, Joseph and the Centurion had all the time in the world to talk. As a result of that walking Joseph got Jesus down, the Centurion no doubt got a fat "check" so to speak and Pilate got the news from the Centurion not to worry because Jesus who was already dead. Joseph laid Jesus to rest and went for his friend Nicodemus who came with 100 pound of medications to VIP treat Jesus of his wounds elsewhere. (John 19:39) Mysteriously, the next 40 days Jesus started appearing to his disciples, eating and drinking with them. (Acts 1:1-3) If you ask me, I think Lazarus was a parable and Jesus was literal.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Did Jesus and or Mary ever believe in Trinity?

Trinity is not even mentioned in the Bible.
Right? Please
Regards

Absolutely not! They were Jewish and Jews do not believe in the Trinity. (Deuteronomy 6:4) They are all of the same mind that HaShem is of an absolute Oneness. (Deuteronomy 6:4)