• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

did Jesus ever say he was god?

Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
Revelation 1:7-8 Jesus was the Almighty.
Genesis 17:1 And the Almighty was God.

John 8:58 Jesus was the "I Am"
Exodus 3:14 and the "I Am" was God

Acts 3:14 Jesus was the "HOLY ONE"
Isaiah 43:15 and the "HOLY ONE" was God

John 8:24 Jesus is the "I Am He"
Isaiah 43:10 and the "I Am He" was God

Revelation 22:13 Jesus is the "First and the Last"
Isaiah 44:6 and the "First and the Last" was God

I Corinthians 10:4 Jesus was "The Rock"
Psalm 18:31 and "The Rock" was God

II Corinthians 11:2 Jesus was the "One HUSBAND"
Jeremiah 31:32 and the "One HUSBAND" was God

Matthew 23:8 Jesus was the "ONE MASTER"
Malachi 1:6 and the "ONE MASTER" was God

John 10:16 Jesus was the "One SHEPHERD"
Isaiah 40:11 and the "ONE SHEPHERD" was God

Acts 4:12 Jesus was the "ONE SAVIOR"
Isaiah 45:21 and the "ONE SAVIOR" was God

Luke 1:68 Jesus was the "ONE REDEEMER"
Isaiah 41:14 and the "ONE REDEEMER" was God

Revelation 19:16 Jesus was "LORD OF LORDS
1 Timothy 6:14 Jesus was "LORD OF LORDS
Deuteronomy 10:17 and the "LORD OF LORDS" was God

Philippians 2:10 Every knee must bow to Jesus
Isaiah 45:23 Every knee must bow to God

John 1: 3-10 Jesus was the "ONE CREATOR"
Isaiah 44:24 The Lord your Redeemer was the "ONE CREATOR"
Genesis 1:1 and the "ONE CREATOR" was God

John 1:49 Jesus was "KING OF ISRAEL"
Isaiah 44:6 and the "KING OF ISRAEL" was God

 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Ghostaka said:
Peace be upon you. Sorry for interfering guys...

But I (obviously?) agree that Jesus (PBUH) never claimed divinity.

As per dialogue wif ma' brother and sister Christians:

Nowhere in the Bible has Jesus (PBUH), himself, said "I am God" or "Worship me. For some time now, I've been doing some digging and found Jesus (PBUH)'s words contrary of the Christian claim.

Bear with me lol, I hope I quoted the newest of the new translations(?) from BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages. < and I hope this is considered a reliable source:

Just my theory, but I think if you collect all of the quotes of Jesus (PBUH) (i.e. without the ambiguous statements) , you would not find a claim of divinity in them.

Throughout the Holy Qur'an Allah says (many times):

253. Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan. {The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2}

I strongly believe that if you compared what Muhammad (PBUH), Jesus (PBUH) and Moses (PBUH) said, you would find one message; from One source.

Peace be upon you, once again.
Click to expand...
You forget that Jesus, being fully human and fully Divine, many times spoke as a human. So the scriptures appear to have Jesus be "just human." If God became a human (in the form of Jesus) then Jesus would, of necessity, be speaking as a human.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No, Yahshua never mentioned he was El anywhere in the bible. Reason? Because at that time he was not considered so.
Click to expand...
I disagree. By the time the Bible was written, there certainly was some understanding of the Divinity of Jesus.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
ContentiusMaximus said:
Or the more obvious question of if Jesus is God, then God sacrificed himself on Earth to change a rule he himself created. Sounds absurd? If so, you now see all religion through my eyes.
Click to expand...
You're working from a skewed theology. So this argument is nothing more than a straw man.
 
V

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
sojourner said:
You're working from a skewed theology. So this argument is nothing more than a straw man.
Click to expand...

How so? If Jesus is indeed God, who is Jesus praying to? Who does Jesus talk to? Himself? Why does he pretty much consistently refer to "himself" in the third person?

Those seem like legitimate questions to me.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
ContentiusMaximus said:
How so? If Jesus is indeed God, who is Jesus praying to? Who does Jesus talk to? Himself? Why does he pretty much consistently refer to "himself" in the third person?

Those seem like legitimate questions to me.
Click to expand...
The Son prays to the Father. Both are separate persons of the one God...
The Son talks to the Father.
He doesn't "pretty much consistently" refer to himself in the third person. He sometimes calls himself "Son of Man." But that in no way constitutes him "pretty much consistently referring to himself in the third person."
BTW, this post has nothing to do with the theology that was presented.
 
Last edited:
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
ContentiusMaximus said:
Proving things before you dedicate your life to them is most certainly preferrable to just taking things at face value with no justification.
Click to expand...
Proving God's nature places the onus of judgment upon us. However, we are in no position to do that. The onus of trust is on us. And we are imminently in a position to do that.
 
V

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
sojourner said:
The Son prays to the Father. Both are separate persons of the one God...
The Son talks to the Father.
He doesn't "pretty much consistently" refer to himself in the third person. He sometimes calls himself "Son of Man." But that in no way constitutes him "pretty much consistently referring to himself in the third person."
Click to expand...

So they are separate, but the same? That makes zero sense.

And I see how you can get that reasoning if you really do believe something can be separate and the same simultaneously. However, if they are the same then whenever Jesus speaks of "the Father" then he's referring to himself in the third person.

I have a good friend who does that. Roy. He has an overbite, so it's pronounced more like "Woy". I haven't concluded "Woy" is God yet. Or separate people in one.

"Woy is angwy!!!"
 
Freelancer7

Freelancer7

Active Member
te_lanus said:
i say they are not equal. my reason is that if he was then why would he pray unto the father to send the comforter to us. clearly stating that he and the father is not equal.

this is but one example that the gospels are full of
Click to expand...

How do you know Mohammed was not the comforter??
 
blueman

blueman

God's Warrior
The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)
"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)
And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)
And so when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments, and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." (John 13:12-14)
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top