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1. 38 And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.
In other words fertility magic. Rods is H4731. Note the "divining rod" in the Strong's translation = MAGIC. That is definitely the way it is used in that sentence.
2. Gen 44:5 even in the standard KJV says Divination. He is using a special bowl to do magic. The word "Nachash" is used twice - together. Look it up - Strong's H5172.
Gen 44: 15 also uses "nachash" twice together, which possibilities come out as - Hiss magic, or - whisper incantations, etc. Thus
Gen 44:15 And said to them Joseph, "Why this deed that you have done? Did you not know that a man such as I divines/hisses/incants enchantments.
3. LOL! Talmud, Tanakh, and New Testament provide NO evidence of anything supernatural - including a God. We are just debating what they say.
4. I am showing that they thought of him as a Sorcerer, - and called him such.
5. LOL! You won't have any success using YHVH's name either.
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1) Genesis 30:37-42
And Jacob taketh to himself a rod of fresh poplar, and of the hazel and chesnut, and doth peel in them white peelings, making bare the white that [is] on the rods, and setteth up the rods which he hath peeled in the gutters in the watering troughs (when the flock cometh in to drink), over-against the flock, that they may conceive in their coming in to drink; and the flocks conceive at the rods, and the flock beareth ring-straked, speckled, and spotted ones. And the lambs hath Jacob parted, and he putteth the face of the flock towards the ring-straked, also all the brown in the flock of Laban, and he setteth his own droves by themselves, and hath not set them near Laban's flock. And it hath come to pass whenever the strong ones of the flock conceive, that Jacob set the rods before the eyes of the flock in the gutters, to cause them to conceive by the rods, and when the flock is feeble, he doth not set [them]; and the feeble ones have been Laban's, and the strong ones Jacob's.
Read... Nothing magic going on. No divination.
He put bare wood into the water source of the flock that he was sifting out of a larger flock. The ones who drank water flowing through the wood became stronger, and as result produced greater numbers of a well-nourished flock.
Why did they become stronger? Either they were drinking a mixture of water more beneficial to their health, or the mixture caused them to do something that was directly beneficial to themselves; perhaps it boosted their appetites, for instance.
Now, would the ignorant of that time-period call it magic? Or supernatural? Of course. And they mistakenly mislabeled many things, as we do to this day. None of the scribes or prophets were immune to the limitations of human perception.
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Genesis 44:5
Is not this that with which my lord drinketh? and he observeth diligently with it; ye have done evil [in] that which ye have done.'
Genesis 44:15
Joseph saith to them, `What [is] this deed that ye have done? have ye not known that a man like me doth diligently observe?'
Assuming you've looked at Strong's.. Here's why context is important. You should be aware of both textual and cultural context. You also shouldn't neglect our current, scientific culture, which should be applied over the outdated suppositions of our predecessors.
3) Nothing is supernatural. That's foremost.
Secondly, evidence is not able to withstand perception. Neither is evidence incorruptible.
Lastly, perception may or may not become a hindrance to specific results.
4) They did. And this is called testimony. However, it is completely unfounded, in any direction. 'Sorcery' is an attempt to explain the unknown, in this instance. They provide no definition, clear reasoning, or record of events.
5) Acceptance of results, in this case, is according to perception. There is power in both names. Words themselves are powers of human understanding. You express limited understanding of God's name(s), and therefore very limited acceptance.
Good grief!
