Did Jesus say he was God???

[S-word]

Did Jesus ever say that he was God? No he did not!

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Acts 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of your ancestors, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus." He who we once knew as a man, is now incontestably divine.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had prophesied that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Romans 8: 11; If the spirit of God, who raised Jesus from death, lives in you, then he who raised Christ from death will also give life to your mortal bodies by the presence of his spirit in you

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.

Jesus is not the God of our ancestors; he is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as is proved conclusively by the Holy Scriptures.

 

[look3467]

Jesus is not the God of our ancestors; he is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as is proved conclusively by the Holy Scriptures.

You are absolutely correct up to a point, and then after that point Jesus is, as the House of David and the house of David is as, God.

We are aware of the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob as being the Great "I am", as in that these folks had the only access to the rightful God of the universe via their selection. (as in chosen?)

But in order for the great "I am" to redeem the others, not of this fold, God had to displace Himself from the "chosen" and placing Himself squarely on the shoulders of Jesus, as Himself, as promised, the house of David and as the house of David being as God.

So, if you can follow that Jesus is the feeble among them, and as the house of David, and the house of David being as God, and one in which God would raise to sit on the father's David's throne, Jesus then is as God.

Now, getting back to the others: God needed to reach out to the rest of the world besides the chosen, and capture them into the fold as well.

Consider for a moment the 99 sheep in the fold as the chosen, and the one lost sheep as the other, you will see a picture of that capturing of the other by God's offering Jesus as a ransom for all.

Now, we need to keep in mind the events, (meaning Gods works in our behalf) more so then the events, (works of mankind) in order to see a clear picture of how God went about to redeem not only the chosen, but the others as well.

If we say, and it's documented, that the nation of Israel is the "head", by that in meaning that as the chosen, they had exclusive rights to the Father, the great "I am".

Jesus, ( documented as the "tail") comes in as the second born, or like as an Abel, like as a Joseph, or like as a Jacob, all similitude's of Jesus.

The tail of the serpent is in the hands of the "chosen".
Ref: Exo 4:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:

Did not the rod become a serpent? And consumed the "others" two?

That was just to give you a clue.

But here is where the difference is made: Isa 9:14 Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.

In that verse we have first, "in one day" a clue as to when that took place.
Second we have the cutting off of both the head and the tail.

Now here is where the switch is made, of which your argument posed.

The head, being Israel and the tail being Jesus.

The head as Moses held the rod of which could turn into a serpent, meaning that Jesus, as the tail, was in submission to the high priests, as the head.

But then we see the reason why: Deu 28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

God then does it: Isa 9:14 Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.

That day? The day of the cross!

OK, the cutting off worked like this: Jesus cut Israel off by this statement: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There you go, Jesus just cut off the nation of Israel spiritual connection to the God of Abraham, the head.

And, in turn Israel cut off from the land of the living Jesus, physically, the tail.

Now applies the verse just stated above ( Deu 28:13) as Jesus being king of kings, Lord of Lords, and the God of the whole human race, commencing with Adam and Eve and until God chooses to end it all, and I might add, to His Kingdom, there is no end.

Having said all that, let us therefore, concentrate of the works of God, for there is where the truth lies, and not on what mankind thinketh.

Blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

You are gathering meamingless words from the nest of nothingness, words taken out of all context to that which they were meant to convey and swirling them together as one does when making scrambled eggs. Having tasted the spiritual food that you have offered, which my spirit has spewed out in disgust, I would advise you to remove it from the table of God's offering, or suffer the indignation of having it removed in the presence of the crowd, who comes to the table in search of the sweet and delectable food offered by others.

Nothing is poisonous to me, I eat whatever is offered, the indwelling spirit of God takes that which it needs for the continued growth and health of the body, and that which is not needed is simply expelled from the body via the appropriate waste disposal tube provided. But that which could be harmful to the body is immediately spewed out before it has had time to have any effect, and such is the case with the spiritual food which my spiritual Father uses in the creation of "I" the mind/spirit that is developing in this body as his spiritual son.

 

[look3467]

You are gathering meamingless words from the nest of nothingness,

Based on those words, I’d say, there is a lack of spiritual insight.

The bible if taken without spiritual insight renders nothing but a lifeless hope, or as you say “meaning-less words ”.

Stories, myths and whatever one wants to make of it.

But the spiritual message within all those stories, words, numbers and visions, tell a completely different story, one that is centered on one individual: Jesus.

I would advise you to remove it from the table of God's offering.

You missed God’s offering, or do you not know Jesus was God’s offering?

Ref: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

We know God was no dummy, by offering His Son to be crucified, was He justified?

Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham (Similitude for God) our father justified by works, (By the works of Jesus), when he had offered Isaac (A similitude for Jesus) his son upon the altar? (Similitude for Golgotha)

Yes, justified in that now, you and I have the gift of eternal life.

By the way……. making light of your scrambled eggs terminology……..even the right ingredients added to scrambled eggs makes for a tasty dish.

“who comes to the table in search of the sweet and delectable food offered by others.”

Gods invitation to His table is opened to all who would seek it.

Ref: Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

If that ain’t the sweetest words ever given to us, then somehow, we missed the message for the sweet and delectable food by others.

Nothing is poisonous to me

…….but what I said was.

So, you may discard anything I say, and move on.

Blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

Was Jesus a God who became a man, or a man who became a god?
Get rid of all your mysterious mumbo jumbo ridiculous rhetoric, and speak plainly so all can understand what you believe. Tell us in plain and simple English, if you believe that Jesus was a man who was given divine glory by our lord and saviour, who rose him from death as the first fruits to be harvested from the body of mankind, and the first to receive his share of the immortal body of God’s only begotten Son, which was torn asunder and poured out as fire upon the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through the mouth of his obedient servant, the man Jesus?

Jesus, who was chosen from among the Israelites as the host body that His father had prepared for him, in which obedient earthly servant, the Son of God, was able to reveal himself to the world and the great sacrifice that he was to make for us.

For when the anointed was about to come into the world, to pay the death penalty for the sins of the physical body of Mankind in which He, "The Son of Man," who is the only begotten Son of God, had developed, He said, “You did not ask for offering or sacrifices, but a body you have prepared for me (Past tense) and that body, was the man Jesus, who He had chosen as his heir and successor, upon whom the spirit of our Lord and saviour descended in the form of a dove and filled him with his spirit, and the voice was head to say, “You are my son, Today I have become your Father.” See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22; before it was corrupted by the deceivers. Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, “Here is my servant, whom I strengthen---the one I have chosen, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and He will bring justice to every nation.

Jesus was the man chosen from among the Israelites to speak in the name of our Lord and saviour, who laid down his immortal life for us. The man Jesus, the faithful and obedient servant, who was given divine glory by our Lord God and saviour and who is now incontestably divine and who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say, by God's only begotten son. When you quote the words that came out of the mouth of Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, know that they were not his words but the words of our Saviour, who, after placeing Jesus in his throne as the cornerstone to the new Temple of glorious light in which he will dwell on earth among mankind, his immortal body was torn asunder and poured out as fire upon the heads of they, who believed

Or do you believe as do the deceivers and enemies of the truth, who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, but instead claim that Jesus was an immortal God who was the co-creator of the cosmos and who came down to earth and entered some imaginary virgin, where his Father created for him a human like body that was not of the seed of Adam, in which to walk the earth disguised as a human being which human beings are only descendants of Adam.

 

[look3467]

Was Jesus a God who became a man, or a man who became a god?

Jesus was God/is God/ and forever shall be God!

But as a man, as you pointed out, of which I concur, a body prepared for Him, was God in the flesh, (Immanuel- God with us, or Yahshua -Yah = God and Shua = salvation together is God's salvation = Jesus) as God, delivering up the world unto Himself.
Yes, I believe/trust/rely on Jesus as my God ref:1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

All that you stated in your post except for the following statement I whole heart-idly agree with.

Or do you believe as do the deceivers and enemies of the truth, who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, but instead claim that Jesus was an immortal God who was the co-creator of the cosmos and who came down to earth and entered some imaginary virgin, where his Father created for him a human like body that was not of the seed of Adam, in which to walk the earth disguised as a human being which human beings are only descendants of Adam.

..."do you believe as do the deceivers and enemies of the truth"...

Only if you can not see what I see am I that to you.

but instead claim

Jesus was not AN immortal God, but Jesus was God, was born a man of a Virgin (Literally) but as Israel, representing the chaste virgin who struggled in its delivery of
the man child.

Israel spiritually, also represented as Abel who was slain spiritually by Cain who Israel literally, sevenfold, killed Cain represented as Jesus.

Now don't get all huffy for what I just said, for I know what a straight shooter you are, for I were one to, not that there is anything wrong with that, for you are defending it readily.

I go deeper into the word still holding the foundation of Jesus Christ as my own, as I am also crucified with Christ and raised with Christ for life.

If all my posts that I have ever written, can you find one where I demeaned another poster for what they believed as evil, then I should be rebuked.

If at the most, I my have reproved some for their unkind words and accusations, coming from the fact that they stated their alliance to Christ, of which I as a brother have that right.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

where his Father created for him a human like body that was not of the seed of Adam,

The seed of King David loins, yes ref: 2Sa 12:18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

Looking at Gods works as He worked is not the same as us looking at what we think should have been Gods works, for we are limited in our understanding.

All that I say should be give fuel for research, to as many as would challenge it, to the furtherance of their spiritual growth, questioning the very base of their own beliefs to the establishment of a stronger spiritual level of faith.

Blessings, AJ

 

[blueman]

Muffled pointed to key passages of scripture that emphatically reinforce that Jesus indeed stated that He was God. Another key piece of biblical evidence to back that up is the desire of the religious to charge Jesus of blasphemy. They obviously were offended by Jesus's claim that He was God. Otherwise, there was no basis for the need to have Him put to death.

 

[look3467]

Muffled pointed to key passages of scripture that emphatically reinforce that Jesus indeed stated that He was God. Another key piece of biblical evidence to back that up is the desire of the religious to charge Jesus of blasphemy. They obviously were offended by Jesus's claim that He was God. Otherwise, there was no basis for the need to have Him put to death.

You are right in that Jesus alluded to that fact, but did not state it directly.

Now, the whole purpose of Jesus stating: "no man comes to the Father but by me" was for the express purpose of having Him rejected, so that He Jesus would come under the authority of the High priests so that they may have the right to offer Jesus up as a sacrifice, though they were blinded to that fact.

Now, if anyone is still blinded in seeing Jesus as God, has not the spirit of God in them.
Ref: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

..."is not of God"... means only that they are not yet reborn spiritually.

A rebirth is the spiritual renewal of our already dead spirit, necessitating a redemption paid for our souls, of which none of us could achieve, save God alone as Jesus.

Blessings, AJ

 

[blueman]

I don't believe Jesus had an identity crisis. Only God can save and Jesus was God in the flesh.

 

[S-word]

You take scripture out of all context to its original meaning therebye adding yeast to the bread that came down from heaven changing its spiritual taste beyond recognition.

quote=look3467; Yes, I believe/trust/rely on Jesus as my God ref:1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And now let us read this in it true context.

1st letter of John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus, does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc.”

2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.”

Where do you suppose you would find a teaching that has been spread throughout the entire earth that refuses to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being? While a human being, Jesus was chosen as the heir to He, who gives his immortal Body to his elect and chosen, when the Lord said to the man Jesus, see Hebrew 5: 5; “Today I have begotten thee.”

You refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, but you have confessed that you believe he came as an immortal god who crawled into the womb of some supposed Virgin where his God created for him a human like body which was not of the seed of Adam from whom all human beings are descended and all human beings are born with the penality of our inherited sin hanging over us.

An immortal god who has lived from all eternity and would live for all eternity; (for an immortal god can never die,) would have seen the death of his temporary human like body, as an exhilerating experence. Your God who has never raised a human being to eternal life, is not my God, who has risen the man Jesus to eternal life as the first fruits to be risen from the dead past of our fourth dimension son, who is born into the invisible spiritual dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional world, with the death of the body in which he developed, which is the sinful body of mankind, and He will raise me also.


The word “Virgin” in reference to the mother of Jesus was first introduced in the 5th century Latin Bible ‘The Vulgate,’ due mainly to the effort of Jerome who was commissioned to make a revision of the books that had already been translated to Latin by, in most cases, persons unknown, and with those books translated by Jerome himself, which revision was completed in 405 A.D. became the official bible of the universal church that had been established by its unorthodox and non-christian champion, ‘King Constantine,’ who had his father Constantius deified and was accorded the same honour himself after his death.

In transcribing the Hebrew words of the prophet Isaiah, that an “Almah” an “unmarried female would be with child and bear a son,” into Greek, which unlike the Hebrew language, does not have a specific term for ‘virgin,’ the authors of the Septuagint and Matthew were forced to use the Greek word ‘Parthenos,’ which carries a basic meaning of ‘girl,’ and denotes ‘virgin’ only by implication.
‘Parthenos,’ was often used in reference to non-virgins who had never been married. Homer uses it in reference to unmarried girls who were no longer virgins, and Homer was the standard textbook for learning Greek all throughout antiquity, so any writer of Greek, including Matthew, who transcribed Isaiah’s words, (An unmarried woman would be with child etc) while being well aware of this words versatile and indefinite meaning; was in no way implying that Mary was a virgin. For the Hebrew has a specific term for ‘virgin,’ “Bethulah” which word is used in every instance in the Old Testament where a woman who has never had sexual intercourse with a man is referred to, which is obviously not the "Almah," who is mentioned in Isaiah 7:14.

Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, gives the meaning of the Hebrew word “Almah,” which is used in Isaiah 7: 14; as, (Concealment: Unmarried woman.) when Mary, the obedient handmaid to her indwelling spirit, who had told the angel three months earlier that she was at that time still a virgin, before she went from her home town of Nazareth to Jerusalem to join with many other members of the family of Elizabeth the cousin of Mary who were of the daughters of Levi, where she must have met for the first time, and was spiritually attracted to the biological father of Jesus, Joseph the Levite, who had come from Cyprus. The act of obedience from which the child of Gods promise was conceived in the womb of the “Almah,” unmarried woman, was concealed in the shadow beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits.

Isaac is a prototype of Jesus and like Jesus was born of Gods promise according to the workings of the Holy Spirit. Both Isaac and Jesus were the sons of parents who were both sired by the one Father. ‘Terah,’ is the father to both Abraham and Sarah, while ‘Heli,’ is the father of both Joseph and Mary. Both Mary and Sarah were informed by an angel that they would become Pregnant and bear the son of Gods promise. Isaac was offered up as a sacrifice by his physical father, Jesus was offered up by his spiritual father, who had chosen him as his heir and successor with these words,"You are my son, TODAY I have become your Father." And Isaac was offered up on the very spot where Jesus was crucified.

quote=look3467; Now don't get all huffy for what I just said, for I know what a straight shooter you are, for I were one to, not that there is anything wrong with that, for you are defending it readily.

Don't try to win me over with false words of flattery. If, like myself you were once a straight shooter and hit the target with each shot, you would not be now grasping at any scripture and giving it some symbolic and mysterious meaning in your attempt to substansiate you erroneous and misleading claims.

 

[afterburner]

Jesus was a man that walked the earth, much like Gandhi and who spoke of treating others (as in the golden rule). The bible was written (both the old and new) by men who just repeat a story over and over again that has been re-written by other "religions" Its just a sad statement that organized religion has used his teachings to their own agenda.

Religion and politics: its all the same game, but the difference is that a government elected or otherwise has a human face to it. Whereas religion claims to be speaking on behalf of God.... its about power

Odd how everyone claims God is on their side... and yet don't we all worship the same God???

 

[S-word]

Jesus was a man that walked the earth, much like Gandhi and who spoke of treating others (as in the golden rule). The bible was written (both the old and new) by men who just repeat a story over and over again that has been re-written by other "religions" Its just a sad statement that organized religion has used his teachings to their own agenda.

Religion and politics: its all the same game, but the difference is that a government elected or otherwise has a human face to it. Whereas religion claims to be speaking on behalf of God.... its about power

Odd how everyone claims God is on their side... and yet don't we all worship the same God???

No! We do not all worship the same God. Atheists are godless people, worshiping no God at all, as is the case with those who belong to the religion of Agnostic/Atheisim, who believe that there might be a God somewhere, but they ain't ever gonna worship him. Then there are those who worship a god who comdemns all who will not obey him, to suffer eternal torment in the eternal fires of some demonic hell, etc, etc. No, my dear friend, we do not all worship the same God.

The only rules that I follow, are the rules that were written on my heart by "Who I Am." I live by the rules that I impose on all those around me, don't kill me or mine, and i or mine will not kill you, don't steal from me or mine, and i'll not steal back from you the compensation that is due to me, do not sleep with my spouse, as I would never sleep with yours, etc, etc.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Odd how everyone claims God is on their side... and yet don't we all worship the same God???

I worship the Gods and Goddesses that the Abrahamic God tells His followers to stay away from. So, no, we don't all worship the same God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Odd how everyone claims God is on their side... and yet don't we all worship the same God???

According to 1st Corinthians 8vs5,6 there are many lords and many gods but to genuine Christians there is only one God and one Lord Christ Jesus.

 

[afterburner]

Actually when one speaks of a single God, it is in fact the same being that the other major religions speak of in their "holy books" The quran and the bible refer to the same God, any group that claims to be christian are also speaking of the same God.

Odd how the quran has 11 commandments, the bible 10 and regarding the "other gods" Whose to say what is right or wrong???

And again I say, show me a book that was hand delivered by God...not one that was written, revised by whoever decided to bend and twist the words to suit themselves.

Religion/politics... same old same old

 

[S-word]

According to 1st Corinthians 8vs5,6 there are many lords and many gods but to genuine Christians there is only one God and one Lord Christ Jesus.

Then why did Paul say that there would come others who would preach a different Jesus than the Man Jesus as preached by the Apostles. The man Jesus, who was given divine glory by "Who I Am," who chose him as his heir and successor with these words, "You are my son, Today I have become your Father,"and who is now incontesably divine?

 

[look3467]

I don't believe Jesus had an identity crisis. Only God can save and Jesus was God in the flesh.

You got it!

 

[look3467]

No flattery intended!

Denying the virgin birth is to deny the power of God.
First Adam was a virgin vessel, meaning a clay vessel without life until God breath life into it of which became a living soul.

Second Adam type, of the same lump of clay, the human womb, God breath life again and Jesus became a living soul.

Now of the two Adam types, the first brought life in the flesh an death, the second brought life in the spirit.

Therefore, there remains two distinct births, the first which is natural, and the second which is life.

Jesus who brought life via the virgin birth with full power of the God head bodily, was the first to resurrect to life, of which we can say, the beginning of life starts with the second Adam and not the first, for the first, which is natural dies.

If this statement is true: Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The end of (Death and hell)the beginning was at the cross, and the beginning of life was born at the cross, and it was stated as "It is finished" and it stands as an ensign for all the world to see. (The cross)

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

Odd how everyone claims God is on their side... and yet don't we all worship the same God???>>>afterburner

OK, where do you place your hope then?

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

I worship the Gods and Goddesses that the Abrahamic God tells His followers to stay away from. So, no, we don't all worship the same God.

What ever one worships, that is your god, whether it be money, power, lust etc.

Blessings, AJ