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Did Jesus say he was God???
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Your post doesn't have an argument in the first place!
Shermana
Heretic
Now if you wanted to look at least somewhat honorable and were at least concerned somewhat with people taking your posts remotely seriously, you'd say something a bit more like "I don't think your argument is correct" or "Here's why your argument is incorrect", but saying that I don't have an argument whatsoever is....well, a perfect example of how Trinitarians read things.
lol
Why don't you try to read your post and tell us what exactly is relevant to the subject at hand?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
It would appear it was but the Jews didn't take the declaration of being "son of God" to mean that he was their god in the flesh. It is blasphemous in Jewish and Muslim culture to associate "God" with having a son, consort, any sort of partners, or to make the claim that a person is equal with their god. It's evident that they made all sorts of charges against him that he tries to clear up. Their claims were baseless.
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Why would there be an "argument"..? you asked the question....
He answered with a civil response by giving a definition....:sad:
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Dang, I haven't seen a person wrap this much ego up in a single discussion thread . . . ever! And still get nowhere even close to suitably answering the question posed in the OP.
Astounding.
Astounding.
(Isaiah 64:8 [NIV]) Yet, O LORD, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.
(Malachi 2:10 [NIV]) Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us?
(John 5:17-18 [NIV]) Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
(John 19:6-7 [NIV]) As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, "Crucify! Crucify!" But Pilate answered, "You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him."The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."
The concept in Islam is different though.
... which had nothing to do with what was being discussed.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
This is getting comical.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
And I don't disagree which is why I said (" It's evident that they made all sorts of charges against him that he tries to clear up. Their claims were baseless.")
If Yeshua or his followers were claiming that he was the physical "son of God" then the concept is no different. If the Jews were claiming that Yeshua was presenting himself as being equal to his god then the concept is no different. If Yeshua claimed to exist in heaven with "God" then the concept is no different. If the claim was that Mary was the mother of the child of "God" then the concept is no different.
... not in the context of the whole discussion.
Actually, giving arguments like this:doppelgänger;2656588 said:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2588285-post4024.html
and then stepping in to give your verdict is the comical thing.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Make sure you declare yourself victorious again after this post even though you've never managed to support your argument. Feel the soothing effect it has on your wounded ego. Feel it penetrate into the scars . . .
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
You asked.....
"Is declaring that He is Son of God a blasphemy?"
To the ones making this charge against Yeshua they certainly believed it was blasphemous. You then gave scripture citing how "God" is the father. I don't disagree with you. The charge of blasphemy (calling yourself "the son of") is a baseless charge. This is why every time they claimed something against Yeshua he goes on to try and clear up their misconceptions.
How else is Yeshua the ("son of God") if not in the physical sense?
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Possibly not in lieu of this whole thread but you asked a direct question about blasphemy and he gave a spot on civil response concerning the question you asked.....:sad: