Did Jesus say he was God???

[waitasec]

there you have it\\


Jesus is God

ok...
let me get back to you in a bit, because you did present a lot of passages to sus through...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Ex 3:13-14
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

That's been explained already a few times in this thread.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1044078-post899.html

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I know it is a debate forum.
My words still stand.

Yep...so do mine...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin
To the ones making this charge against Yeshua they certainly believed it was blasphemous.

And this wasn't the only question that you ran away from last time!

Let's try this again.....

"Is declaring that He is Son of God a blasphemy?"

No. Their claim was baseless. There is nothing blasphemous by calling ones self the son of "God". I've said this over and over already.

 

[Mark2020]

That's been explained already a few times in this thread.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1044078-post899.html

If you call this an explanation, then explain the difference between using Ego eimi with and without predicate.

 

[Mark2020]

Let's try this again.....
No. Their claim was baseless. There is nothing blasphemous by calling ones self the son of "God". I've said this over and over already.

And who said this:

It is blasphemous in Jewish and Muslim culture to associate "God" with having a son, consort, any sort of partners, or to make the claim that a person is equal with their god. It's evident that they made all sorts of charges against him that he tries to clear up. Their claims were baseless.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

If you call this an explanation, then explain the difference between using Ego eimi with and without predicate.

In reference to John 8:58 I'm not sure what you're getting at. Can you clarify?

 

[Mark2020]

In reference to John 8:58 I'm not sure what you're getting at. Can you clarify?

It's pretty clear.
Didn't you try to explain the meaning of the words in Greek?

 

[Mark2020]

ok...
let me get back to you in a bit, because you did present a lot of passages to sus through...

You got the context or you're going to throw more meaningless comments?

 

[waitasec]

there you have it\\


Jesus is God

ok well i sifted through your supposed evidence...
how are these people any different?
List of people claimed to be Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or these people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants

next...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

And who said this:

What didn't you understand....?

"There is nothing blasphemous by calling ones self the son of "God."

This is correct because the bible reveals that others were and did call themselves "son or sons of God".

"It is blasphemous in Jewish and Muslim culture to associate "God" with having a son."

In the physical sense. (begotten)

consort, any sort of partners

This is true. Both cultures are firm that Mary was not a consort nor does "God" have partners.

or to make the claim that a person is equal with their god.

Again true. Both cultures believe none is equal to "God"

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It's pretty clear.
Didn't you try to explain the meaning of the words in Greek?

Yes. So is it your contention that (ego eimi) can not translate to (I exist)....(I was).?

 

[Mark2020]

What didn't you understand....?

I understood what you said, but I was pointing out the contradiction in your words.
Anyway we were already past that point.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I understood what you said, but I was pointing out the contradiction in your words.
Anyway we were already past that point.

Great..because there was no contradiction just a misunderstanding.....

 

[Mark2020]

Yes. So is it your contention that (ego eimi) can not translate to (I exist)....(I was).?

Can you read my question? Do you know what a predicate is? Can you answer the question?

 

[Mark2020]

Great..because there was no contradiction just a misunderstanding.....

So, I think we reach the point where you ran away last time

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So, I think we reach the point where you ran away last time

If you back track you'll discover I did no such thing. You do realize not every one of your post "deserves" a reply right?.....even though I believe I've responded them....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Can you read my question? Do you know what a predicate is? Can you answer the question?

Yes I understand what a predicate is but trying to find out where you're going with this line of questioning considering the various translations I have are consistent with what I listed.

 

[Mark2020]

If you back track you'll discover I did no such thing. You do realize not every one of your post "deserves" a reply right?.....even though I believe I've responded them....

In other words, you're running away again!

 

[Mark2020]

Yes I understand what a predicate is but trying to find out where you're going with this line of questioning considering the various translations I have are consistent with what I listed.

So, you have no answer to this too...