Did Paul believe his spirit could survive death?I think he did.:)

[Frank Goad]

I got this from right here: Soul Sleep Disproved | Soul Sleep in the Bible

Here it is:

The Apostle Paul – Departing to be with Christ

Paul is in prison not knowing whether he will live or die, and on this subject, he says:

“Yes, and I shall rejoice. For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, as it is my eager expectation and hope that I shall not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now as always Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If it is to be life in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Convinced of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith, so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.” (Ph’p 1:19-26)

Notice his terminology that juxtaposes the spirit and the flesh: “life in the flesh,” “remain in the flesh,” or “depart and be with Christ,” Paul is picturing his soul or spirit living or remaining in the flesh. Paul is contemplating whether he will live or die – “Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or death.” So that is the subject, whether Paul lives or dies. He doesn’t know which he would prefer – “I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.” So when Paul dies he is going to depart and be with Christ. That’s crystal clear. Paul concludes by saying it is better for their sake that he not die yet as they still need his ministry.

If Paul did not have an immortal soul then how could he speak this way? How could Paul contrast the concepts “remain in the flesh” with “depart and be with Christ?” If there is no immortal soul Paul will remain in the flesh even when he is dead. The phrase itself “remain in” means there must exist something to be inside or in the flesh. That something would be the soul.

It does no good to try to say remain in the flesh only meant remain on earth in the flesh, for Paul’s flesh will remain on earth even if he dies. Paul leaves no room for doubt. He will either remain or he will depart, and if he departs he will be with Christ. And if he departs, then as James says, “the body without the spirit is dead…”[1]

If you disagree with this.Say why.And if you can.Please use bible verses.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Paul was the one who spoke about those who were “asleep in death”!
I’ve shown you those Scriptures, and others. Like “the dead know nothing.”

But believe what you want.

 

[Frank Goad]

Paul was the one who spoke about those who were “asleep in death”!
I’ve shown you those Scriptures, and others. Like “the dead know nothing.”

But believe what you want.

Then why was Paul talking like he was in my first post?

 

[Frank Goad]

I got this from right here: Soul Sleep Disproved | Soul Sleep in the Bible

Here it is:

The Apostle Paul – Departing to be with Christ

Paul is in prison not knowing whether he will live or die, and on this subject, he says:

“Yes, and I shall rejoice. For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, as it is my eager expectation and hope that I shall not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now as always Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If it is to be life in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Convinced of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith, so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.” (Ph’p 1:19-26)

Notice his terminology that juxtaposes the spirit and the flesh: “life in the flesh,” “remain in the flesh,” or “depart and be with Christ,” Paul is picturing his soul or spirit living or remaining in the flesh. Paul is contemplating whether he will live or die – “Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or death.” So that is the subject, whether Paul lives or dies. He doesn’t know which he would prefer – “I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.” So when Paul dies he is going to depart and be with Christ. That’s crystal clear. Paul concludes by saying it is better for their sake that he not die yet as they still need his ministry.

If Paul did not have an immortal soul then how could he speak this way? How could Paul contrast the concepts “remain in the flesh” with “depart and be with Christ?” If there is no immortal soul Paul will remain in the flesh even when he is dead. The phrase itself “remain in” means there must exist something to be inside or in the flesh. That something would be the soul.

It does no good to try to say remain in the flesh only meant remain on earth in the flesh, for Paul’s flesh will remain on earth even if he dies. Paul leaves no room for doubt. He will either remain or he will depart, and if he departs he will be with Christ. And if he departs, then as James says, “the body without the spirit is dead…”[1]

If you disagree with this.Say why.And if you can.Please use bible verses.

What do you think of the part I Bolded?In the bible verses?

 

[Brickjectivity]

If Paul did not have an immortal soul then how could he speak this way?

He can use figures of speech, however his usages in Philippians and in Galatians are different from some of his other usages. It could be that the Paul writing them does believe in an immortal soul. Multiple authors used to write under the same pen-name. There could be differences of opinion between the different Paul writers. There are therefore two ways of explaining how he is talking.

Also the language of resurrection originates in the prophets who speak of the resurrection of Israel the nation, not of individuals. Jesus then uses that language in the gospels when he says sin is death and repentance is life. Paul in Romans and 1 Corinthians says we must be buried with Christ, now; yet I don't see you picking up a shovel and jumping in a hole. Since it is now then neither the death or the resurrection can be about a physical existence, at least not in Romans. John says we are part of a new creation, but this does not change our feet and hands or our shoes or the ground. This is favoring not an immortal individual soul but a life invested in Christ, and that is resurrection enough to make everything in Christ worthwhile -- to a spiritual person. To an adulterous and vain generation it will never be enough.

[Rom 14:17 NIV] 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
[Ecc 1:8 NIV] 8 All things are wearisome, more than one can say. The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing.​

It is our flesh which desires to experience comforts. The spirit has no need of life extension and is content. The desire for immortality is from the flesh. The spirit desires only that there be peace on earth, good will. Love is not self seeking.

 

[Frank Goad]

Paul was the one who spoke about those who were “asleep in death”!
I’ve shown you those Scriptures, and others. Like “the dead know nothing.”

But believe what you want.

Didn't paul also say jesus would bring back the spirits of people who were already dead from heaven?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Then why was Paul talking like he was in my first post?

If the dead “know nothing”, then what does that say about them experiencing time?

The dead have no concept of time! So if they’ve been dead a thousand years, their resurrection, ie., their coming back to life, will seem instantaneous to them.

But they’re in Jehovah’s memory; they “belong” to Him. (Ezekiel 18:4) There’s no place safer to be.

 

[Frank Goad]

What do you think of Philippians 1:24?Paul mentions this in my fist post.

 

[paarsurrey]

I got this from right here: Soul Sleep Disproved | Soul Sleep in the Bible

Here it is:

The Apostle Paul – Departing to be with Christ

Paul is in prison not knowing whether he will live or die, and on this subject, he says:

“Yes, and I shall rejoice. For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, as it is my eager expectation and hope that I shall not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now as always Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If it is to be life in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Convinced of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith, so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.” (Ph’p 1:19-26)

Notice his terminology that juxtaposes the spirit and the flesh: “life in the flesh,” “remain in the flesh,” or “depart and be with Christ,” Paul is picturing his soul or spirit living or remaining in the flesh. Paul is contemplating whether he will live or die – “Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or death.” So that is the subject, whether Paul lives or dies. He doesn’t know which he would prefer – “I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.” So when Paul dies he is going to depart and be with Christ. That’s crystal clear. Paul concludes by saying it is better for their sake that he not die yet as they still need his ministry.

If Paul did not have an immortal soul then how could he speak this way? How could Paul contrast the concepts “remain in the flesh” with “depart and be with Christ?” If there is no immortal soul Paul will remain in the flesh even when he is dead. The phrase itself “remain in” means there must exist something to be inside or in the flesh. That something would be the soul.

It does no good to try to say remain in the flesh only meant remain on earth in the flesh, for Paul’s flesh will remain on earth even if he dies. Paul leaves no room for doubt. He will either remain or he will depart, and if he departs he will be with Christ. And if he departs, then as James says, “the body without the spirit is dead…”[1]

If you disagree with this.Say why.And if you can.Please use bible verses.

" Ph’p 1:19-26 "*

" Ph’p 1:19-26"* is not from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, right?

Hellenist Paul:

1. faked a vision and self-styled himself an Apostle, one gets to know, please,
2. and he made creeds that had nothing to do with Yeshua and or his teachings, one such (fake) creed,
3. one understands, is that (Jesus) Yeshua "died a cursed death on the Cross" for the sins of the "Hellenist-Paulines"
4. as a lollipop, it seems, for the credulous/simple followers of (Jesus) Yeshua to convert them to Hellenism, please, Right?

Right?

Regards
________________
* Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If you disagree with this.Say why.And if you can.Please use bible verses.

The Bible is repeatedly inconsistent on what happens to people in the afterlife, Frank, as I showed you in my previous replies when you inquired about specific scriptures that illustrate the afterlife in your other threads. I've demonstrated time and time again how the Bible has conflicting verses about the afterlife. For instance, Hebrews 9:27 implies that a person faces judgment immediately after death, and 2 Corinthians 5:8 implies that a Christian who dies is instantly in the presence of the Lord. Revelation 20:13 conflicts with Hebrews 9:27, and says that "the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them," and "each individual was judged according to what they had done." If these spirits are in the sea, how do they immediately face judgment?

Furthermore, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 conflicts with 2 Corinthians 5:8 because it says, "13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

Moreover, Matthew 27:51-53 implies soul sleep for believers. It says, "Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

Daniel 12:2 implies soul sleep for both believers and unbelievers, which conflicts with Hebrews 9:27 and 2 Corinthians 5:8. Daniel 12:2 states, "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.." 2 Chronicles 32:33 also implies soul sleep: "And Hezekiah slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the upper part of the tombs of the sons of David; and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem did him honor at his death." And Manasseh, his son, reigned in his place. " There are other similar verses to consider: 2 Chronicles 33:20; 1 Kings 15:8; 1 Kings 16:28; 2 Kings 13:13; and 2 Kings 14:29.

And John 11:11-15 implies soul sleep as well. It states, "After saying these things, he said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I will go to awaken him." The disciples said to him, "Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover." Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant to take rest in sleep. Then Jesus told them plainly, "Lazarus has died, and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe." But let us go to him. " Notice that Jesus did not say that Lazarus' spirit went directly to heaven after death and was in His presence or that Lazarus' spirit faced judgment immediately after death or that his spirit came up from under the ground. He said that Lazarus had fallen asleep and that he would go wake up Lazarus, but Lazarus was dead.

If you believe the Bible to be the inerrant and infallible Word of God, then according to the Bible, do human spirits rise from the earth, as some verses appear to imply, or do some rise from the sea and Hades and then face judgment, or do all human spirits face God's judgment immediately after death, and all followers of Christ are instantly in his presence after death, or do human spirits in the spirit world (both believers and nonbelievers) fall asleep in the grave to be resurrected later in the alleged end times? What is the answer?

 

[Brian2]

I got this from right here: Soul Sleep Disproved | Soul Sleep in the Bible

Here it is:

The Apostle Paul – Departing to be with Christ

Paul is in prison not knowing whether he will live or die, and on this subject, he says:

“Yes, and I shall rejoice. For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, as it is my eager expectation and hope that I shall not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now as always Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If it is to be life in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Convinced of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith, so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.” (Ph’p 1:19-26)

Notice his terminology that juxtaposes the spirit and the flesh: “life in the flesh,” “remain in the flesh,” or “depart and be with Christ,” Paul is picturing his soul or spirit living or remaining in the flesh. Paul is contemplating whether he will live or die – “Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or death.” So that is the subject, whether Paul lives or dies. He doesn’t know which he would prefer – “I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.” So when Paul dies he is going to depart and be with Christ. That’s crystal clear. Paul concludes by saying it is better for their sake that he not die yet as they still need his ministry.

If Paul did not have an immortal soul then how could he speak this way? How could Paul contrast the concepts “remain in the flesh” with “depart and be with Christ?” If there is no immortal soul Paul will remain in the flesh even when he is dead. The phrase itself “remain in” means there must exist something to be inside or in the flesh. That something would be the soul.

It does no good to try to say remain in the flesh only meant remain on earth in the flesh, for Paul’s flesh will remain on earth even if he dies. Paul leaves no room for doubt. He will either remain or he will depart, and if he departs he will be with Christ. And if he departs, then as James says, “the body without the spirit is dead…”[1]

If you disagree with this.Say why.And if you can.Please use bible verses.

From what Paul said, he believed that he had a spiritual side that lived on after his body died, just as Jesus did.
It helps to believe the writer was Paul, an apostles chosen and inspired by God to write what he did however and to understand other passages in the light of Paul's plain comments.

 

[Brian2]

The Bible is repeatedly inconsistent on what happens to people in the afterlife, Frank, as I showed you in my previous replies when you inquired about specific scriptures that illustrate the afterlife in your other threads. I've demonstrated time and time again how the Bible has conflicting verses about the afterlife. For instance, Hebrews 9:27 implies that a person faces judgment immediately after death, and 2 Corinthians 5:8 implies that a Christian who dies is instantly in the presence of the Lord. Revelation 20:13 conflicts with Hebrews 9:27, and says that "the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them," and "each individual was judged according to what they had done." If these spirits are in the sea, how do they immediately face judgment?

Furthermore, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 conflicts with 2 Corinthians 5:8 because it says, "13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

Moreover, Matthew 27:51-53 implies soul sleep for believers. It says, "Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

Daniel 12:2 implies soul sleep for both believers and unbelievers, which conflicts with Hebrews 9:27 and 2 Corinthians 5:8. Daniel 12:2 states, "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.." 2 Chronicles 32:33 also implies soul sleep: "And Hezekiah slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the upper part of the tombs of the sons of David; and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem did him honor at his death." And Manasseh, his son, reigned in his place. " There are other similar verses to consider: 2 Chronicles 33:20; 1 Kings 15:8; 1 Kings 16:28; 2 Kings 13:13; and 2 Kings 14:29.

And John 11:11-15 implies soul sleep as well. It states, "After saying these things, he said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I will go to awaken him." The disciples said to him, "Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover." Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant to take rest in sleep. Then Jesus told them plainly, "Lazarus has died, and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe." But let us go to him. " Notice that Jesus did not say that Lazarus' spirit went directly to heaven after death and was in His presence or that Lazarus' spirit faced judgment immediately after death or that his spirit came up from under the ground. He said that Lazarus had fallen asleep and that he would go wake up Lazarus, but Lazarus was dead.

If you believe the Bible to be the inerrant and infallible Word of God, then according to the Bible, do human spirits rise from the earth, as some verses appear to imply, or do some rise from the sea and Hades and then face judgment, or do all human spirits face God's judgment immediately after death, and all followers of Christ are instantly in his presence after death, or do human spirits in the spirit world (both believers and nonbelievers) fall asleep in the grave to be resurrected later in the alleged end times? What is the answer?

You seem to have a tangle of misunderstanding of what the scriptures are saying. I can help you untangle it a bit if you like.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

You seem to have a tangle of misunderstanding of what the scriptures are saying. I can help you untangle it a bit if you like.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm interested in your attempt to refute what I wrote and defend the Bible. You would be mistaken if you think that I will consider your personal interpretation of the Bible over that of other Christians. Since Christians can't even agree on what the Bible actually teaches, I see no reason to accept your personal interpretation or that of any other Christian.

Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, and other Protestant denominations all have different views on how to understand the Bible, church beliefs, salvation, baptism, female pastors, and the list goes on and on. Personally, I believe that Christians should not insist on the Bible being the Word of God when they can't agree on what it actually teaches or how to properly interpret the scriptures. But a lot of Christians like to strongly insist that the Bible is infallible and inerrant and that Christianity is the only true religion in the world.

For the record, I was a devout Christian for thirty years, and I read and studied the Bible several times during these years. I also spent almost five years helping my nephew earn his Master of Theological Studies (MTS) degree, during which time we extensively studied and researched the Bible and Christian theology. Now I know the Bible backwards, forwards, and sideways. I'm pretty sure I know the Bible better than most Christians do. To be completely honest, I don't actually care if you or other Christians agree with my personal views of the Bible or not. I've had too many personal experiences as a psychic medium and a paranormal investigator (as I mentioned in this other post here), aside from the thirty years I spent intensively studying the Bible as a Christian and now as an ex-Christian, to believe what the Bible claims about the afterlife. As a result, I am convinced that the Bible is unreliable and filled with inconsistencies.

 

[Brian2]

You seem to be under the impression that I'm interested in your attempt to refute what I wrote and defend the Bible. You would be mistaken if you think that I will consider your personal interpretation of the Bible over that of other Christians.. Since Christians can't even agree on what the Bible actually teaches, I see no reason to accept your personal interpretation or that of any other Christian.

Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, and other Protestant denominations all have different views on how to understand the Bible, church beliefs, salvation, baptism, female pastors, and the list goes on and on. Personally, I believe that Christians should not insist on the Bible being the Word of God when they can't even agree on what it actually teaches or how to properly interpret the scriptures. However, most Christians like to insist that the Bible is infallible and inerrant and that Christianity is the only true religion in the world.

For the record, I was a devout Christian for thirty years, and I read and studied the Bible several times during these years. I also spent almost five years helping my nephew earn his Master of Theological Studies (MTS) degree, during which time we extensively studied and researched the Bible and Christian theology. Now I know the Bible backwards, forwards, and sideways. I'm pretty sure I know the Bible better than most Christians do. To be completely honest, I don't actually care if you or other Christians agree with my personal views of the Bible or not. I've had too many personal experiences as a psychic medium and a paranormal investigator (as I mentioned in this other post here), aside from the thirty or more years I spent intensively studying the Bible as a Christian and an ex-Christian, to believe what the Bible claims about the afterlife. As a result, I am convinced that the Bible is unreliable and filled with inconsistencies as a result.

Nevertheless you do have a tangled view of what passages in the Bible about death and judgement and resurrection actually mean. But I did not think you were interested in untangling them.
I don't know why you think that your experience with the paranormal shows the Biblical view of the afterlife to be false however.

 

[2ndpillar]

Paul, the "false prophet" of Revelation 16 and Revelation 20:10 will along with the "beast" and the "devil", never die. Fortunately for his followers, they will die the second death in the same "lake of fire". (Revelation 20:15)

I got this from right here: Soul Sleep Disproved | Soul Sleep in the Bible

Here it is:

The Apostle Paul – Departing to be with Christ

Paul is in prison not knowing whether he will live or die, and on this subject, he says:

“Yes, and I shall rejoice. For I know that through your prayers and the help of the Spirit of Jesus Christ this will turn out for my deliverance, as it is my eager expectation and hope that I shall not be at all ashamed, but that with full courage now as always Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If it is to be life in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Convinced of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith, so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.” (Ph’p 1:19-26)

Notice his terminology that juxtaposes the spirit and the flesh: “life in the flesh,” “remain in the flesh,” or “depart and be with Christ,” Paul is picturing his soul or spirit living or remaining in the flesh. Paul is contemplating whether he will live or die – “Christ will be honored in my body, whether by life or death.” So that is the subject, whether Paul lives or dies. He doesn’t know which he would prefer – “I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.” So when Paul dies he is going to depart and be with Christ. That’s crystal clear. Paul concludes by saying it is better for their sake that he not die yet as they still need his ministry.

If Paul did not have an immortal soul then how could he speak this way? How could Paul contrast the concepts “remain in the flesh” with “depart and be with Christ?” If there is no immortal soul Paul will remain in the flesh even when he is dead. The phrase itself “remain in” means there must exist something to be inside or in the flesh. That something would be the soul.

It does no good to try to say remain in the flesh only meant remain on earth in the flesh, for Paul’s flesh will remain on earth even if he dies. Paul leaves no room for doubt. He will either remain or he will depart, and if he departs he will be with Christ. And if he departs, then as James says, “the body without the spirit is dead…”[1]

If you disagree with this.Say why.And if you can.Please use bible verses.

 

[Joshua Pryce]

Its like this. To live is Christ and to die is gain. Philippians 1:21