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Did SJWs help create Trump?

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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I think Jerry Seinfeld stopped being funny in 97.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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Did SJWs help create Trump?

I will say, 'yes', that was a factor. And I can sympathize with that sentiment after hearing of their more extreme examples like requiring all schools to have transgender bathrooms, boycotting North Carolina, some of the Black Lives Matter rhetoric, etc.. Although I did vote Hillary, I did like to see the slap a Trump victory gave on the left wing of the SJW.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
For the sake of discussion, how would someone define a SJW? It is always thrown around as a condescending, negative label. So long as we are going to continue this tradition, I think it is fair to define it first.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member

What do you think?
Yes, I think this is one of many factors that helped get Trump elected. But that does not mean that we should embrace hate and ignorance, it does not mean that every idea that has been labelled politically incorrect is wrong. I am not going to stop criticising real bigots just because someone calls me a SJW. There are real bigots out there who object to the fact that their bigotry is no longer acceptable the way it use to be. I agree that free expression has been suppressed in many cases and this saddens me. We need to find a way to not only to let people speak but to actually listen to them. But at the same time I think the change in attitude we have seen regarding racism, sexism, and sexual orientation represents progress. And I will defend that progress.
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
I definitely feel a lot of leftist ideals have been hijacked by some extremists who are professionally offended for a living and want to censor everything that doesn't fit into their tiny box. And while that may have swayed a good portion of votes, that certainly wasn't the main reason Trump won. Democrats being too complacent to vote is more significant in my opinion.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Did SJWs help create Trump?

I will say, 'yes', that was a factor. And I can sympathize with that sentiment after hearing of their more extreme examples like requiring all schools to have transgender bathrooms, boycotting North Carolina, some of the Black Lives Matter rhetoric, etc.. Although I did vote Hillary, I did like to see the slap a Trump victory gave on the left wing of the SJW.
But was it a "b**** slap"?

I don't think SJWs deserve credit for Trump.
They're a symptom of the causes.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
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For the sake of discussion, how would someone define a SJW? It is always thrown around as a condescending, negative label. So long as we are going to continue this tradition, I think it is fair to define it first.

Further, as far as I'm aware, this pejorative term is quite a bit younger than the person we're talking about...
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I would be willing to venture a guess who most opponents describe as a "sjw", actually make up a minority of the left side of the spectrum. But, instead, choose to focus and magnify that minority in an attempt to vilify the opposition as a whole.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Dysfunctional government & politicians.
They give SJWs power to perpetrate their wrongdoings & silliness.
Can you please define what you think a SJW is, the wrongdoings you think they commit and what you might to do stop them?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Can you please define what you think a SJW is, the wrongdoings you think they commit and what you might to do stop them?
This description looks apt....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior
They perpetrate things like....
- Insulating students from contrary opinions with "safe spaces"
- Opposing due process for men accused of sexual crimes
- Redefining innocent benign speech as heinous offenses.
- Believing that disagreement about an issue is a personal attack.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I think in part, yes. Trump isn't about ''victim mentality,'' but Hillary is all about that. Well, if that would get her votes. There are real injustices happening in the world and in our country. But, telling people that they should remain perpetual victims is why she lost. That, and running a campaign that basically was speech after speech and ad after ad of blasting Trump. lol Trump isn't an ideal choice either, but I want to believe anyway, that he'll get the country focused on helping itself. The government shouldn't be seen as this white knight mounting a huge horse, who will slay everyone's demons. We have to help ourselves, too, and realize that despite the injustices that are done to us at times, we will rise above them...individually and as a country. Not solely reliant on the government.
 
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Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
This description looks apt....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior
They perpetrate things like....
- Insulating students from contrary opinions with "safe spaces"
- Opposing due process for men accused of sexual crimes
- Redefining innocent benign speech as heinous offenses.
- Believing that disagreement about an issue is a personal attack.
I wouldn't let the extreme liberals that perpetuate these things get to you. I feel they make up a minority and a few of these things are not specific to SWJ/those on the left alone. Especially the ones I highlighted.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Perhaps. They have been getting a lot of press recently, mostly facepalm worthy and the backlash tends to be quite harsh against them. The pendulum always swings back and forth and perhaps this pushed it further than before.
But didn't a large portion of peeps in America not bother to vote at all? How do you people claim a pres is elected by the people if not everyone even votes?
Granted I don't vote and it's compulsory where I live, but still.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
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Yes, the desire for equal opportunity led those who hate such things to elect a fascist.
 
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