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Did the Disciples Eat Jesus?

Is it so important?

Is it important "when" the disciples ate Jesus? Perhaps, yes. It is bad enough that it's taught worldwide that Jesus died on a cross between two criminals who hung beside him who were alive when they were taken down from their respective crosses. It's also bad enough that many don't understand that Jesus had a plan mapped out before he was hung on a cross and his disciples followed the plan so well that he was able to eat breakfast with them after he left the tomb and hung out with him 40 days before he sacrificed his life for them.

People are mislead to misunderstand what a sacrifice meant to Jesus and his disciples.

In the Jewish law found in Exodus and Leviticus, there were rules for the murderous sacrifice of innocent animals in the temple, and different animals were used for different purposes. For instance, they might have killed an animal in their herd to atone for wrongdoing or to pray for protection or well-being. What a barbaric SIGHT it must have been! No matter how you cut it (pun incidental...), the ritual was a gory mess if you can picture it The priest would slaughter the animal as strictly outlined so it would be kosher for eating, splash its blood on the sides of the alter grill and "burn" (cook) the body on the alter grill so that the fragrant smoke would ascend.

And you are correct; at the last supper before THE LAST Supper, Jesus did admonish his disciples at the mock-rehearsal, "saying, This is my body which is given FOR YOU: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed FOR YOU." (Luke 22:19)

This stupid line is purposefully put in the false gospel of John to defile the law, and put Jews off.

I disagree, and anyway, how would you know unless you were at the Council of Nicea when they selected the books to in clude in the canonical gospel stories?

You know, my friends, cannibalism is not an unusual fact of life for those from some other cultures. For some, live spiders, ants, roaches, bugs and maggots are delicacies, but you would probably perish the thought of letting certain things you are unfamiliar with consuming cross your lips, and that is understandable. That's why he lost "many" disciples and was left with just twelve, amen? (See john 6:66-67: "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?")

Americans, with the exception of the likes of Hanibal Lector and others, prefer a Western diet consisting of cooked fish, meats of all sorts of animal species like birds (chicken, turkey, quail, duck...), other animals like cows, goats, buffalo, pig..... Understand that mankind is a species of animal and realize that there are some cannibal animal species who also eat their own kind. For example, just the other evening I was watching an Animal Planet episode of "Weird, True and Freaky" where the Tasmanian Devil eats all the offspring that don't make it to one of her limited-number of nipples as soon as they're born. There are spiders like the Black Widow that consume other Black Widow spiders, there are insects that consume other insects of their kind, snakes that consume other snakes, fish that consume other fish, birds that consume other birds, wild animals that consume other same wild animals, and people who consume other people. And look at the area of the world where all of those events were said to have taken place. It is an area a hop, skip and a jump near where cannibalism is known even to this day to be a part of the people's culture.

Cannibalism may be seen as a horrific act in our modern world, but the further back in history you go, the less that is the case. In many parts of Africa and Polynesia people only ate those they admired. It was the highest form of respect and honor, and yes, it was a way of quite literally becoming "one" with the person that was revered, to in some way, create a spiritual connection from within in a very literal sense.

For instance, in 1824, Brigadier-General Sir Charles McCarthy was killed fighting the Ashanti. They ate his heart and lined his skull with gold to make it into a ceremonial drinking cup. They did that to honor his bravery as a warrior. It might seem bizarre to our modern sensibilities, but to a more primitive society... nope, not at all in the least bit. Things have changed since then though, and nowadays cannibalism is more often the act of a twisted mind and/or considered taboo.

In the bestseller (urban science-fiction?) book entitled Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein (great book!), it was an honor to grok with each other and to be grokked by others. In Mr. Heinlein's invented Martian language, "grok" literally means "to drink" and figuratively means "to understand," "to love," and "to be one with."

I honestly do not imagine that it had to be a gory mess either, although I do admit to being puzzled by the christian's proclaimed desire to be covered with and/or washed in blood.

In fact, I imagine them being as neat and clean about it as possible so as not to leave any evidence of what they did and of more significant importance, in order to lend credence and validity to the story Mary Magdalene and the other women told.


When people think "cannibals," usually a vision that comes to mind is of insane-looking (black) people huddled over a fresh corpse with blood smearing their face and hands, smiling at the camera with raw meat hanging from between their teeth, or they might have other visions consistent with how the powers-that-be in today's society impress upontheir minds by freakishly portraying through the media the way they would have an innocent, ignorant, misguided or simply blood-and-gore thirsty audience believe a modern-day cannibal ought to look, displaying tremendously negative attitudes and behavior, thus obliterating and otherwise defiling the sacredness of honor and respect demonstrated in the ancient act of cannibalism to turn it into the horribly degrading taboo it is viewed by many as today... (Wow, that was one really long sentence!)

Lions and animals in the wild eat like that because it is their nature, but Human Beings are trained to cook their meat and season the animal's body parts well to enhance the flavor. Further, unlike wild animals, Human Beings do not eat with their faces to the plate, but are taught to use utensils and napkins, take small bites, chew quietly with their mouths closed and other etiquettes of table manners, having one meal with 3 forks, 3 knives, 3 spoons....

Back then, they ate with their fingers, but I don't believe they used napkins in those days though ~ I think they licked their fingers and wiped their mouths with the back of their hands in a politely discreet kind of way. That reminds me that I shared in either the Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur discussions some encounters I had with a little orthodox jewish boy in September 2009 when he informed me quite matter-of-factly that they were not allowed to ever cut their meat off of bones with a knife; they have to tear it away from the bone with their fingers or eat the meat right off the bone using their teeth.

Perhaps the linens they brought with them to the tomb were probably used as tablecloths (or groundcloths) to aid in an easy clean-up....
 
I read a story about a woman who was bleeding to death, and in her weakened state, all she had strength to do was reach up from the ground she lay on and touch the edge of the robes of the man called Jesus as he was walking by in a crowd, and the story goes that immediately her issue was healed.

If anyone can believe that there was that much power emanating from his clothing, then how much more power might one imagine could be gotten from touching his skin... his flesh.... Not to mention the grokking of it. All that to say that it would make much sense that the disciples may have been convinced (not only because of his command) that the same power he demonstrated in his earthwalk would be fresh, strong and potent in his flesh and blood, and that by consuming him as instructed, they would receive that power by literally having the body and Life Force (blood) of Jesus within them. It is realistic, and actually factual that authentic cannibalis believe(d) that a person's personal power could be gained by consuming their body, thus becoming one with that honored and respected individual.

Think about it, friends. Remarkably, even in this day and age, christians continue to play out the cannibalistic ritual ceremony of eating flesh and drinking blood and the majority of the masses do it without realizing that the disciples quite literally ate Jesus.

From the fourth century on, the one place where most christians felt they encountered jesus was in the bread and wine of their eucharist liturgies. The prayer of the service was directed to the father god, but christians believed that they encountered jesus in the bread and wine, which they understood to be the body and blood of their lord, reverence for the man called jesus in the eucharist began to grow in the Eastern and Western churches.
 
Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you,"

I believe they followed his command.

What do you think?

Its the esoteric meaning of what Jesus represents, the sun. All organic life is an extension of the sun. If you don't eat, you die.

In the same way when Jesus was asked where the last supper would be held, his reply was "look for the man with a pitcher of water and go into his house" Its the esoteric reference to the age of Aquarius.
How do you identify the age we are in? You observe the constellation over the eastern horizon at the spring equinox.
When is the Pass Over? Roughly the spring equinox.
What does Passover represent? The sun passing over the equator for the first time since autumn.
Its the return of the sun to its glory, to give life and blessings.
Theres alot more to these stories than their literal interpretations.
 
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Ummm... or why he should defile the Jewish law?

Jesus did not defile the jewish law. His disciples defiled the jewish law when they violated the sabbath by being out after dark to tend to him when he was in the tomb before they rested in jewish obserfvance.

Note that according to John's story, "they" came to jesus by night, which would mean that according to jewish law, Nicodemus and some others violated the sabbath for their friend in order to bring him even more stuff to annoint his body with and perhaps even consume for more speedy healing. Nicodemus was no joke either ~ he didn't just bring enough for one or two applications or treatments ~ he brought ONE HUNDRED POUNDS of the healing concoction he mixed and prepared for jesus to use. That was enough to last months.

Consider the methodology of Jewish law and how to offer a pleasing and acceptable sacrifice. Jesus is purported to have sacrificed his life by becoming the "ultimate sacrificial lamb," true? As the seriously devout Jews that they were, they would have sacrificed him right-proper and according to the Book, by the letter, wouldn't you agree? After all, they were diligently faithful in observing Jewish law, weren't they?
 
Its the esoteric meaning of what Jesus represents, the sun. All organic life is an extension of the sun. If you don't eat, you die.

In the same way when Jesus was asked where the last supper would be held, his reply was "look for the man with a pitcher of water and go into his house" Its the esoteric reference to the age of Aquarius.
Theres alot more to these stories than their literal interpretations.

I suppose you believe that God is an extra-terrestrial being too...?
 

Unveiled Artist

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Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you,"

I believe they followed his command.

What do you think?

Its a reference to the OT. The blood in the OT was used by animal sacrifice to scapegoat the Isrealtees sins. Real blood was used.

The flesh/body is the unblemished animal they tookbpart of after sacrifice.

The animal sacrifice from god to tribes sobthey follow his i nstructions too clense themselves of sin.

The OT, Jesus is death to sin by his flesh/body/unblemished lamb and he is life/resurrected

"This is my body" is the bread (food like lamb) that he passed to his disciples to Literally not symbolically use as himself to rid people of sins of those who partake in it (like lamb/animal above)

"This is my blood" The wine (at cana for example) and other places is the blood of christ. It is the death of the flesh (blood from the lamb) to be resurrected. It is a literal partaking of wine to die in his crucifiction.

No. They didnt eat jesus bones, fingers, legs, dna, and hair

Priest looked at me silly when I asked him that.

They believe the "actual" wine is his blood. They are drinking his blood but in physical reality, it is wine.

They partake in his "actual" bread, his body. They are eating actual physical bread but the bread is life (OT and NT) life is christ. So they partake in his body.

Basically, communion is partaking in life, deathx and resurrection by the communion of the body of christ, crucifiction by blood/wine and partaking in resurrection or bread/life "bread of life".

Its an animist and panentheist type of view to put it bluntly.

Its not a symbol.

So. Your answer.

No. They are not partaking i. His bones, hair, and dna
No. They are not drinking white and red blood cells of christ

Yes. They are eating bread that christ in the NT calls life-himself.

Yes. They drink wine thst chrjst called life-himself.

Pick one. Its literal but they arent eating and drinking hair and white blood cells
 
I suppose you believe that God is an extra-terrestrial being too...?

I believe god to be the intelligent creator of the universe and everything in it.
I just don't place god in a box of human concepts.
Stories of the creator through many religions have an exoteric meaning for those that can't comprehend and an esoteric meaning for those who can.
I believe theres one universal truth and no religion holds it all but many hold it in part and most hide it within metaphors.
 
ts a reference to the OT. The blood in the OT was used by animal sacrifice to scapegoat the Isrealtees sins. Real blood was used.

Jesus made no reference in that scripture to the OT. He did, however, make himself perfectly crystal clear. Prior to him saying that to the crowd, he had been addressing them in parable form. No special interpretation or cross referencing is called for here.

The last supper before THE LAST Supper was just a mock-rehearsal and reminder of his commandment to them.

But why would he be so willing to lay down his life for them in such a sacrifice? Well, think about it. The man called Jesus had become so popular and drew such a large gathering of people that him gaining so many followers seriously threatened the religious government and the control Roman rule imposed on the masses, which set the authorities loose on him, hot on his tail to try and persecute him.

If you follow the story in the bible, he said that when things were beginning to come to a head and shortly after that, the authorities started seeking out him and his friends ~ the disciples, to arrest and persecute them for being guilty by association. He even foretold them that THAT would happen when he told them it would get to the point when they would deny hanging out with or even knowing him. The story goes that after the Passover meal when Jesus reminded them at the mock-rehearsal of what they were to do with his body, that he gave them advance warning that that would happen, and that when it did, his followers would deny knowing him, just to spare their own lives.

Remember, too, that he was considered to be a man of great compassion, and with the knowledge that his demise was eminently getting ready to pop off, it makes sense that it pained him to know that before it was all over, his dear friends might even suffer the consequence of death on his account, so he became the ultimate sacrifice to save them from that fate, when he turned himself in by allowing the Roman soldiers to arrest him in the garden of gethsemane. And as we now understand what the texts have been saying all along, he sacrificed his life to save his friends, who ate his flesh and drank his blood to honor his command, so that Jesus could be living within them and they would live forever (through their regularly recalled stories). Those of the christian religious belief system still carry out the cannibalistic ritual practice to this day, especially during their annual celebration of Easter.
 
Explain why you think it is a ridiculous way of looking at it.

Christianity is the belief that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, and he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanityh because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Does that make perfect sense? One could say that THAT is a ridiculous way of looking at it.

So explain your thoughts, if you can.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Explain why you think it is a ridiculous way of looking at it.
First, a technical point. If you post a question that you want me to see it is best to either quote me (as I've done immediately above) or tag me by writing my name preceded by the ampersand (@). Either will generate an alert.
Christianity is the belief that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, and he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanityh because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Whatever ... :rolleyes:
 

Demonslayer

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They believe the "actual" wine is his blood. They are drinking his blood but in physical reality, it is wine.

OK I grew up Catholic in the late 70's early 80's with everyone ordering me to believe the transformation that takes place during transubstantiation is literal. I've been in a lot of religious conversations from those days to now and I've never heard this particular explanation before. You're saying...are you saying Jesus had wine for blood? And so, even though we can very simply prove the stuff in the fancy chalice is not blood, that it really IS blood because Jesus had wine in his veins?
 

Demonslayer

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I think that is a ridiculous way of looking at it.

Maybe so, but Sister is only reacting to the ridiculous story the Catholics insist on telling. Right?

Here's my take...don't walk around telling a ridiculous story about how the priest rings a bell and wine physically and literally transforms into blood, and then expect people to look at that story in un-ridiculous ways.

If you make bold claims about magic tricks, you'd damn well better expect modern humans to make fun of it. As a wise man once said "don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining."
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Remember. Cannibalism is eating a human (or whomever) eating the actual flesh and blood of another human. It's not a metaphor. It's not accidents with the spirit within. It is actually me taking another human and eating him alive. That is cannibalism. Communion is not cannibalism because you are not actually eating and drink human flesh and blood. You are drinking wine and eating bread. The cannibalism argument is one of the few silliest (I'll say) arguments against the Catholic Church.

Jesus made no reference in that scripture to the OT. He did, however, make himself perfectly crystal clear. Prior to him saying that to the crowd, he had been addressing them in parable form. No special interpretation or cross referencing is called for here.

Jesus is god, right? edit: I had to check if you are Christian. If not, then you don't have to answer.

Let me rephrase. Christians say he is god. Since he is:

Exodus 20:24 "Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you."​

There are many examples of god ordering the sacrifice of an unblemished (clean/innocent) animal to scapegoat the Israelite and I think the Levites of their sins. Though the Levites had a upgrade on taking care of the sacrifices that the Isrealites took part in, if I'm not mistaken.

If you mean that "this is my body and this is my blood" are parables, in my opinion, that's pretty much spitting on the actual nature of communion regardless of what church it is in.

The last supper before THE LAST Supper was just a mock-rehearsal and reminder of his commandment to them.

Why do you say mock? That's like calling The Last Supper itself a mock.

If my mother sat her children around the table and we knew she was dying, we know the importance of the last meal she provided. As her children, we'd continue this meal with our childrens' children and so forth. It's a memorial meal that is blessed and well kept in those childrens' hearts.

It is the same as the Last Supper and continuing the Last Supper thereafter. I would never call it a mockery. Why would you say such a thing?

But why would he be so willing to lay down his life for them in such a sacrifice? Well, think about it. The man called Jesus had become so popular and drew such a large gathering of people that him gaining so many followers seriously threatened the religious government and the control Roman rule imposed on the masses, which set the authorities loose on him, hot on his tail to try and persecute him.

If my mother knew that the only way for her to save her children is to die in their place, she would do so. It's as simple as that. Just because it is religious in nature doesn't exclude that sacrifice means dying for another. That was Jesus' purpose from his Father. He fulfilled his purpose. I don't see the confusion?

If you follow the story in the bible, he said that when things were beginning to come to a head and shortly after that, the authorities started seeking out him and his friends ~

the disciples, to arrest and persecute them for being guilty by association.

He even foretold them that THAT would happen when he told them it would get to the point when they would deny hanging out with or even knowing him.

The story goes that after the Passover meal when Jesus reminded them at the mock-rehearsal of what they were to do with his body, that he gave them advance warning that that would happen, and that when it did, his followers would deny knowing him, just to spare their own lives.

Communion isn't a mock rehearsal. What exactly (post scripture) did Jesus told them not to do and how does it relate to the apostles sharing in communion in Acts to remember their savior?

Remember, too, that he was considered to be a man of great compassion, and with the knowledge that his demise was eminently getting ready to pop off, it makes sense that it pained him to know that before it was all over, his dear friends might even suffer the consequence of death on his account, so he became the ultimate sacrifice to save them from that fate, when he turned himself in by allowing the Roman soldiers to arrest him in the garden of gethsemane.

And as we now understand what the texts have been saying all along, he sacrificed his life to save his friends, who ate his flesh and drank his blood to honor his command, so that Jesus could be living within them and they would live forever (through their regularly recalled stories). Those of the christian religious belief system still carry out the cannibalistic ritual practice to this day, especially during their annual celebration of Easter.

Cannibalism is eating the actual flesh and body of another human being. When I take communion, I am picking up bread not Jesus hair, bones, and fingers. When I hold the chalice of wine, I am not holding his white blood cells, liquid, and dna.

I am holding bread and wine. It is not cannibalism.

Everyday at Mass a Catholic goes through Jesus' life, death, and resurrection. People keep focusing on the Eucharist being a continuous Crucifixion. The priest says to the congregation "do this in memory of me." It is acknowledging that what they are doing isn't literal (Jesus-himself-the actual human) is not siting at the altar. The priests are not the actual apostles. You're mixing up what a Catholic means by literal and what the dictionary defines as literal.

When a Catholic says "We partake in the blood and body of of Christ in the Eucharist" they are saying, they are partaking in his Passion through his flesh (sin-crucifixion) and his life (resurrection). That is why it is continuous.

It's a reconfirmation (not the type as if they didn't know already) and remembrance of their baptism, confession, confirmation, and communion. When Catholics go around the Church every Easter to the different pictures that represent the passion of Christ, that is very personal to them. As so is the bread of life and the wine of death.

Maybe you'd have to experience being a Catholic to understand. It's one thing to take communion, do the rituals, and listen to the priests. It's a whole 'nother thing to understand and experience the partaking of the sacraments, going to Mass when you want to, and being a part of the Church.

But with cannibalism, that's just a silly argument against the Church. You'd have to prove to me that what you are seeing is Christ's actual bones, flesh, and hair to agree Catholics are cannibalistic.
 

Demonslayer

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Communion is not cannibalism because you are not actually eating and drink human flesh and blood. You are drinking wine and eating bread.

The problem with this argument is, even though every thinking person understands it's just bread and wine, the Catholic doctrine...to this very day...claims it is a literal and physical transformation of the wine to blood and the bread to flesh.

If they admit it's just symbolic, no one has any protest. But they insist that something is physically transforming, hence all the pushback.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

https://carm.org/transubstantiation

"Transubstantiation is the teaching that during the Mass, at the consecration in the Lord's Supper (Communion), the elements of the Eucharist, bread and wine, are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus and that they are no longer bread and wine but only retain their appearance of bread and wine."
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
OK I grew up Catholic in the late 70's early 80's with everyone ordering me to believe the transformation that takes place during transubstantiation is literal. I've been in a lot of religious conversations from those days to now and I've never heard this particular explanation before. You're saying...are you saying Jesus had wine for blood? And so, even though we can very simply prove the stuff in the fancy chalice is not blood, that it really IS blood because Jesus had wine in his veins?

This is how I rationalized it. I was told it is better to come in at a latter time in life because you have more of a critical mind and more willing to understand the connection than a child can when they are indoctrinated. They could believe anything.

I asked the priest "do you actually see Jesus' actual bones, body, hair, feet etc when you partake in the Eucharist?"

He readjusted himself as if he never heard someone literally ask him that with all seriousness than being on RF and talking about it as if it is nothing.

He said, "there are different types of literal. [we/the Church] are not talking about what you'd see like this table. We are talking about literal in the way it correlates in scripture. So the definitions are different.

My friend explained it another way. It made more sense from her. She says think of your grandmother (who passed away) favorite meal she cooked for the family around the table. When you have a family meal without her, yes you are grieving but with her meal you are actually in her presence. She is there as the meal she fixed not in memory of. It is a literal presence of her in the food she fixed.

I think you'd have to see it from an animist or pantheist point of view to understand it, honestly.

You're saying...are you saying Jesus had wine for blood? And so, even though we can very simply prove the stuff in the fancy chalice is not blood, that it really IS blood because Jesus had wine in his veins?

No. Jesus IS the wine. The wine/blood is what cleans people of their sins in the OT. Since Jesus was the actual lamb (OT Exod.) to be sacrificed, he made himself "present" (like my grandmother example) in the last wine so that his disciples can partake in his presence (as we sit around the table) thereafter. (Same example with bread)

I was telling, cant figure who in this thread, about the connection between wine and bread to death and life.

The wine is sacrifice/crucifixion.
The bread is life/resurrection.

Jesus is both the crucified and the resurrected.

When he said "this is my body and this is my blood" he is saying "this is my Crucifixion and [and through this] this is my resurrection" (sacrifice and life) that I have given to you.

He gives it to his disciples (and to people thereafter in the memory of him) so they can partake literally not just spiritually in his life, death, and resurrection

The bread becomes more than bread, it becomes life. Spiritual nourishment.
The wine becomes more than wine, it becomes a person's sacrifice. Their spiritual repentance and absolution

To sum up these two, the Catholic says "The bread and wine is Jesus" without going through all that.

Also many older Catholics haven't read their Bible (most were not allowed to, as so I was told at the Catholic retreat I went to). So, they only know what the Church told them. Since the Church says they base their teachings on the Bible, I think they'd get more context especially if indoctrinated if they read the Bible.

Many people left the Church because they read their Bible. So, it's a personal call.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The problem with this argument is, even though every thinking person understands it's just bread and wine, the Catholic doctrine...to this very day...claims it is a literal and physical transformation of the wine to blood and the bread to flesh.

If they admit it's just symbolic, no one has any protest. But they insist that something is physically transforming, hence all the pushback.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

https://carm.org/transubstantiation

"Transubstantiation is the teaching that during the Mass, at the consecration in the Lord's Supper (Communion), the elements of the Eucharist, bread and wine, are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus and that they are no longer bread and wine but only retain their appearance of bread and wine."

Explained in my last post.
 
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