Dimensions of Reality

[zenzero]

Friends,

friend rojse has started a thread on *what isReality* in response would like to ask how many accept that reality has other dimensions which are not measurable by scientific means but is also a reality.

To explain further we know reality as sensed through our senses but there is another reality like when friend katiafish and me connected twice over the continents and across the chat room on the net we do feel some energy field in and around us. While bringing about focused awareness friend katiafish connected and felt she electric current pass through her which might be regular for her but had no idea about and the first thing that asked her was *were you shaking* because her shaking could be felt miles away by this body here.
Since am not trained in energy chakra reading which she is am unable to recognize the different colored lights that could be felt which she can explain better and throw more light on the subject.

Is this reality or not, as feeling is surely there of energy particles moving from one corner of the globe to another. Is it the failure of science? Is it the failure of human minds to fathom such experiences as reality only because science is not yet up to it?

Discuss......

Love & rgds

 

[rojse]

Friends,

friend rojse has started a thread on *what isReality* in response would like to ask how many accept that reality has other dimensions which are not measurable by scientific means but is also a reality.

To explain further we know reality as sensed through our senses but there is another reality like when friend katiafish and me connected twice over the continents and across the chat room on the net we do feel some energy field in and around us. While bringing about focused awareness friend katiafish connected and felt she electric current pass through her which might be regular for her but had no idea about and the first thing that asked her was *were you shaking* because her shaking could be felt miles away by this body here.
Since am not trained in energy chakra reading which she is am unable to recognize the different colored lights that could be felt which she can explain better and throw more light on the subject.

Is this reality or not, as feeling is surely there of energy particles moving from one corner of the globe to another. Is it the failure of science? Is it the failure of human minds to fathom such experiences as reality only because science is not yet up to it?

Discuss......

Love & rgds

I inspired a thread! :thud:

As to your experience, since we only have your story to go on, I don't think we can be sure what exactly occured. Was it an actual physical event that both of you experienced, that could be scientifically studied? Was it merely a product of both of your imaginations - in the situation you experienced, your brain came up with a situation that it thought should happen, given the strength of your beliefs? Or some other explanation entirely?

If it was merely a product of your own thought and suggestion, I don't think that means it is not reality, though. Surely the physical workings of the brain are as much a part of reality as anything else.

 

[skydivephil]

Friends,

friend rojse has started a thread on *what isReality* in response would like to ask how many accept that reality has other dimensions which are not measurable by scientific means but is also a reality.

To explain further we know reality as sensed through our senses but there is another reality like when friend katiafish and me connected twice over the continents and across the chat room on the net we do feel some energy field in and around us. While bringing about focused awareness friend katiafish connected and felt she electric current pass through her which might be regular for her but had no idea about and the first thing that asked her was *were you shaking* because her shaking could be felt miles away by this body here.
Since am not trained in energy chakra reading which she is am unable to recognize the different colored lights that could be felt which she can explain better and throw more light on the subject.

Is this reality or not, as feeling is surely there of energy particles moving from one corner of the globe to another. Is it the failure of science? Is it the failure of human minds to fathom such experiences as reality only because science is not yet up to it?

Discuss......

Love & rgds

You felt an energy connection or whatever, isnt it far more liekly that this is your own imagination than some impossible to detect chakra?

 

[katiafish]

I hardly can offer a very coherent answer as my experience is very subjective and knowledge or even understanding of how it exactly works is pretty much intuitive..

In my understanding the experience of reality is subjective and some people are more sensitive to further expanses of this reality. One can also train to become aware of the connectedness of everything in the Universe, for me it happens to be a fact on a sensory level.

When healing or connecting or doing a chakra reading I do something that I call "locating" and I usually require a photograph of the person for easier identification. My personal "gift" i suppose is to see the "energy fingerprint" of the person, which helps me to find this energy fingerprint in any location any part of the world. It does not mean I will know where their physical location is as I think it works on astral level.

In my attempts to understand further this ability and also the ability to transfer the energy by opening myself to it and then consciously directing it to the required destination, I looked into Quantum entanglement theory. The way that i feel it, everything is connected and everything is ultimately an energy with no boundaries.

Perhaps it is different dimensions, perhaps astral plane or string theory, the main thing is that it works and can be felt on a sensory level. I am open for experiments, however, by having connected to number of people on this forum it became clear to me that the connection has to be open both ways, so I can only get through to people who are relatively open to it..

 

[rojse]

I thought this worth highlighting from your post, Katia.

...however, by having connected to number of people on this forum it became clear to me that the connection has to be open both ways, so I can only get through to people who are relatively open to it..

If this is the case, how do you know it is a combined imaginary experience, particularly since your experiments constantly have you question the other person to ensure they are having a reaction?

 

[Ozzie]

I thought this worth highlighting from your post, Katia.



If this is the case, how do you know it is a combined imaginary experience, particularly since your experiments constantly have you question the other person to ensure they are having a reaction?

Open the doors of your mind in order that the serpent may penetrate you.

 

[YmirGF]

Friends,

friend rojse has started a thread on *what is Reality* in response would like to ask how many accept that reality has other dimensions which are not measurable by scientific means but is also a reality.

*raises invisible hand*

Is this reality or not, as feeling is surely there of energy particles moving from one corner of the globe to another.

It's all around, if you could but perceive. You, yourself are a whorl of energy particles that combine to form the personality of ZenZero. To other perspectives, your thoughts appear as colored lights. Get used to it. I've only held this vantage point for thirty years, so I am still a bit of a novice.

Is it the failure of science?

Not at all. Neuroscience is still in its infancy. There is much they do not know, but I am extremely optimistic.

Is it the failure of human minds to fathom such experiences as reality only because science is not yet up to it?

Partly, the "en masse" worldview is always playing catchup to those on the vanguard. One has to be patient...

For this thread, I will let young Katia explain "our" viewpoint.

*Winks at Katia*

 

[rojse]

Open the doors of your mind in order that the serpent may penetrate you.

Sounds kinky and depraved. Let's do it!

 

[katiafish]

Well do you call the experience of you typing on your keyboard imaginary? If you look at it from quantum perspective, it is totally subjective, but hardly imaginary...

What i feel and trust that people who I connect with feel is on a very real, "objective" sensory level, the experience is not dissimilar from that of the reality itself. Imaginary? Hardly...

 

[rojse]

Well do you call the experience of you typing on your keyboard imaginary? If you look at it from quantum perspective, it is totally subjective, but hardly imaginary...

What i feel and trust that people who I connect with feel is on a very real, "objective" sensory level, the experience is not dissimilar from that of the reality itself. Imaginary? Hardly...

The claim "it only happens if you are open to the idea of it happening" smacks of quackery to me. No deliberate offense to anyone, but that is my own personal feelings on the subject. I don't like seeing that excuse used at all, regardless of the situation - communicating or seeing God, for example, or psychic communication.

 

[YmirGF]

The claim "it only happens if you are open to the idea of it happening" smacks of quackery to me. No deliberate offense to anyone, but that is my own personal feelings on the subject. I don't like seeing that excuse used at all, regardless of the situation - communicating or seeing God, for example, or psychic communication.

You should come and visit me for a week or two. I don't need you to believe - anything.

 

[rojse]

You should come and visit me for a week or two. I don't need you to believe - anything.

Help! I'm being propositioned! :cover:

 

[YmirGF]

Help! I'm being propositioned! :cover:

Hehe. You should be so lucky. Then again, you could do worse. :drool:

 

[MountainHumanist]

I can certainly understand the possibility of aspects of reality which cannot be detected by our senses. In fact, I know such things exists like the parts of the spectrum which exist outside our bandwidth of vision. The question then arises: "So what?" If I cannot access this slice of reality, why the fuss? There is certainly enough sublime beauty and wonder within the reality I can sense to last a lifetime and then some. What is the benefit of trying to determine if our subjective experiences (all the chakra woo-woo and the like) is actually a bridge to reality or simply a misfiring of our brain (and most brains will misfire several times in a lifetime). Zenzero, I think you have to be honest and admit this buzzing feeling or globes of light could just as likely be the subjective activity of your brain brought on by a willingness (even a hope) to experience such pheomena. Until such phenomena can be investigated using scientific methods, its best to leave them in the toy box and experience reality as best you can here and now.

 

[katiafish]

I can certainly understand the possibility of aspects of reality which cannot be detected by our senses. In fact, I know such things exists like the parts of the spectrum which exist outside our bandwidth of vision. The question then arises: "So what?" If I cannot access this slice of reality, why the fuss? There is certainly enough sublime beauty and wonder within the reality I can sense to last a lifetime and then some. What is the benefit of trying to determine if our subjective experiences (all the chakra woo-woo and the like) is actually a bridge to reality or simply a misfiring of our brain (and most brains will misfire several times in a lifetime). Zenzero, I think you have to be honest and admit this buzzing feeling or globes of light could just as likely be the subjective activity of your brain brought on by a willingness (even a hope) to experience such pheomena. Until such phenomena can be investigated using scientific methods, its best to leave them in the toy box and experience reality as best you can here and now.

the difference is in being interested in expanding one's consciousness and remaining just where you are, perfectly satisfied. Both are perfectly valid paths, everyone to their own..

 

[katiafish]

*raises invisible hand*

It's all around, if you could but perceive. You, yourself are a whorl of energy particles that combine to form the personality of ZenZero. To other perspectives, your thoughts appear as colored lights. Get used to it. I've only held this vantage point for thirty years, so I am still a bit of a novice.

Not at all. Neuroscience is still in its infancy. There is much they do not know, but I am extremely optimistic.

Partly, the "en masse" worldview is always playing catchup to those on the vanguard. One has to be patient...

For this thread, I will let young Katia explain "our" viewpoint.

*Winks at Katia*

Well since YmirGF so gracefully thrown the ball to my court i suppose I have no other choice but to use it..

I am coming from the assumption that Unity, which is everything internal and the external, all encompassing, is a self conscious energy that has a purpose of becoming more self aware.As it is everything and contains everything, it is only able to experience itself, so in order to widen this experience, as a creative expression of itself, Unity creates individualized units of conscious energy, as in individualized units of itself. This individualized units in turn have a creative expression as in creating and affecting "objective" reality, through collective and singular imagination.
What happens next is that the experience of this created reality affects the individualized units of consciousness right back, modifying and evolving them, and it is this modification of the individual unit of consciousness that is then reflected back to Unity, resulting in modification and further development or construction of Unity, hence completing the full circle of creative expression.

Also have to keep in mind that in Unity there is ether no time, or time happens instantaneously and expands in all directions, so all of that is was have been will be happening simultaneously...

It is through this ultimate understanding of everything being One, understanding not intellectually but resonating with the knowledge of this oneness that people are able to connect and heal and transfer energy between each other, simply because on the level of energy there is no difference between you, or me, or anyone or anything in the Universe...

 

[skydivephil]

Well do you call the experience of you typing on your keyboard imaginary? If you look at it from quantum perspective, it is totally subjective, but hardly imaginary...

What i feel and trust that people who I connect with feel is on a very real, "objective" sensory level, the experience is not dissimilar from that of the reality itself. Imaginary? Hardly...

What do you mean by looking at it from a quantum perspective?
Why the compariso, other people can verify you a typing on a keyboard, they cannot verfiy the existence of chakras.

 

[skydivephil]

Well since YmirGF so gracefully thrown the ball to my court i suppose I have no other choice but to use it..

I am coming from the assumption that Unity, which is everything internal and the external, all encompassing, is a self conscious energy that has a purpose of becoming more self aware.As it is everything and contains everything, it is only able to experience itself, so in order to widen this experience, as a creative expression of itself, Unity creates individualized units of conscious energy, as in individualized units of itself. This individualized units in turn have a creative expression as in creating and affecting "objective" reality, through collective and singular imagination.
What happens next is that the experience of this created reality affects the individualized units of consciousness right back, modifying and evolving them, and it is this modification of the individual unit of consciousness that is then reflected back to Unity, resulting in modification and further development or construction of Unity, hence completing the full circle of creative expression.

Also have to keep in mind that in Unity there is ether no time, or time happens instantaneously and expands in all directions, so all of that is was have been will be happening simultaneously...

It is through this ultimate understanding of everything being One, understanding not intellectually but resonating with the knowledge of this oneness that people are able to connect and heal and transfer energy between each other, simply because on the level of energy there is no difference between you, or me, or anyone or anything in the Universe...

Of course if you assume your conclusion then you will get to it. The question is what evidence do you have for your conclusion?

 

[zenzero]

Friend rojse,

It is simple.
To most who have not stilled their minds know of reality of the senses and will always doubt that there also exists reality of other dimensions. Its a free universe. Keep thinking!
BUT, this is certain and confirmed by those who who been able to *still* their thoughts even for a fraction of a second or millisecond immediately connects to the universal energy. How it happens has already been explained in Truth [digestible form?].
So, those who have not crossed the threshold including science will are not expected to accept it simply because thoughts cannot reach a place where thoughts do not exsits. This is the reason it is labeled *mystery* and such individual *mystics* when it is simply a science.
Where friend YmirGF is only optimistic others visualize the possibilities of humans evolving to super-humans were such aspects which are a mystery today will be the order of everyday life.

Love & rgds


Love & rgds

 

[katiafish]

"Of course if you assume your conclusion then you will get to it. The question is what evidence do you have for your conclusion?"

dont you just love the evidence argument? To respond to that, could you give me some hard evidence that you exist please? And, whilst you are at it, give me a hard factual evidence of the purpose for your existence?

Quantum mechanics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to some quantum theories, matter does not exist, all there is is energy..