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Dimensions of Reality
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skydivephil
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I could make the exact same claim for the existence of any mythological entity. If you dont like evidece what criteria do you use for assesing wether something exists or not?
imaginaryme
Active Member
What does entropy have to do with area? That Hawking guy... always thinking.
The last generalized account of QM I have read came from a professor's written lecture; guy seems to think there are at least eighteen different flavors of quantum theory floating around. I get the arXiv updates on my Google Reader... I'm thinking there's a whole lot more than eighteen. The Standard Model is inexorably linked to the Copenhagen Interpretation; Bohr's Complimentariness merged with Heisenburg's Uncertainty - but it seems the latter is contingent upon the quantum nature of time. If time does not actually exist... well, things will get strange. I'm pretty sure we got it backwards way back when. Instead of conceptualizing entropy to account for time, I'm thinking we conceptualized time to account for entropy.
Why? Well, because we're entropic, of course. We don't know "nothing" because everything we know is "something." Some of us, however, seem to know something else. For instance, the role of the observer in QM. As we all observe, we all alter the potential outcome. Meaning we're a long way from evidence of psychic ability if one psyche can scramble the experiment. What is the potential solution? Machine intelligence. Ever since we started asking questions, there has been a need to question the questioner; but as we are all human, there is no way to know just what we know.
We don't know atoms, our machines know atoms, our mathematics knows atoms - until, of course; we learn more - redo our math, and reprogram our machines - and reprogram ourselves in the process.
One is the number of thingness. An apple tree contains many apples, but they are all apple. We are all human. These are all words.
Zero is the number of nothingness, but as such cannot be known, it has that inherent flaw - the name "zero," the location at the origin. That flaw is useful in that we have a piece of nothing that acts like a number, for the most part; but what happens when it doesn't? Infinity - which in our terms in the infinity of thingness - and hiding beneath nothing is... well everything.
The point is that there is no answer, merely more pertinent questions. Some of us are on a quest, others are content to know; humanity needs both types of mindsets. Questions lead to answers that we can stand upon to find more questions; it's not about right and wrong, it's about growth and stagnation. We can't live perpetually with uncertainty, but we will surely stagnate if we ever truly know.
The last generalized account of QM I have read came from a professor's written lecture; guy seems to think there are at least eighteen different flavors of quantum theory floating around. I get the arXiv updates on my Google Reader... I'm thinking there's a whole lot more than eighteen. The Standard Model is inexorably linked to the Copenhagen Interpretation; Bohr's Complimentariness merged with Heisenburg's Uncertainty - but it seems the latter is contingent upon the quantum nature of time. If time does not actually exist... well, things will get strange. I'm pretty sure we got it backwards way back when. Instead of conceptualizing entropy to account for time, I'm thinking we conceptualized time to account for entropy.
Why? Well, because we're entropic, of course. We don't know "nothing" because everything we know is "something." Some of us, however, seem to know something else. For instance, the role of the observer in QM. As we all observe, we all alter the potential outcome. Meaning we're a long way from evidence of psychic ability if one psyche can scramble the experiment. What is the potential solution? Machine intelligence. Ever since we started asking questions, there has been a need to question the questioner; but as we are all human, there is no way to know just what we know.
We don't know atoms, our machines know atoms, our mathematics knows atoms - until, of course; we learn more - redo our math, and reprogram our machines - and reprogram ourselves in the process.
One is the number of thingness. An apple tree contains many apples, but they are all apple. We are all human. These are all words.
Zero is the number of nothingness, but as such cannot be known, it has that inherent flaw - the name "zero," the location at the origin. That flaw is useful in that we have a piece of nothing that acts like a number, for the most part; but what happens when it doesn't? Infinity - which in our terms in the infinity of thingness - and hiding beneath nothing is... well everything.
The point is that there is no answer, merely more pertinent questions. Some of us are on a quest, others are content to know; humanity needs both types of mindsets. Questions lead to answers that we can stand upon to find more questions; it's not about right and wrong, it's about growth and stagnation. We can't live perpetually with uncertainty, but we will surely stagnate if we ever truly know.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend imagineryme,
EXACTLY!
Existence carries on from eternity to eternity without stagnation and so do human mind being part of existence itself.
Questions must be raised and answers found when the individual energy diminishes the light goes off but only to rest as no-form and again after the desired rest is back as seed from where it left and the journey continues.
Love & rgds
EXACTLY!
Existence carries on from eternity to eternity without stagnation and so do human mind being part of existence itself.
Questions must be raised and answers found when the individual energy diminishes the light goes off but only to rest as no-form and again after the desired rest is back as seed from where it left and the journey continues.
Love & rgds
skydivephil
Active Member
The idea that we don't know atoms, out machines no atoms is nonsense. we have an enormous evidence for the existence of atoms and we understand their properties very well. i have to say i think most of your post is gibberish, sorry if that seems harsh but what on Earth are you trying to say?
Why don't you make your claims more specific ?
imaginaryme
Active Member
Phil, how can you be a string theorist and not speak gibberish?
Kidding. But what happens to what we know if we come to find out that the difference between the W boson and the tau neutrino is not one of energy or mass, but of color and vibration? We know enough to ask these questions, but we really don't know. Question one about the zee zero, one is likely to get a blank stare; but when the tiger roars, man runs. These other aspects of reality are not intrinsic to our nature. We do not operate at these scales. Consider - four...
Four dimensions are widely accepted - three of space and one of time. Four fundamental forces define our physics. Four letters make up our code. The four winds blow to the four corners of the globe. And the four sides of the rectangle is the basis of the wall between man and nature. What is the significance of four?
There is no significance. Where are these three spatial dimensions? We can't see them - depth perception is an illusion created by binocular vision. We can't draw them - we use tricks of perspective. Yet we can build them, we can live in them, we can be comfortable believing that they are real. Even when they are not, for the only dimension that truly matters is time. What makes us human? Our intelligence? Our compassion? Our soul? Not exactly. It is our long-term memory.
There is no evidence of anything unless we remember. One dimension. The dimension of my perspective is male, but what is man without the truly unknowable dimension of woman? Two dimensions. Between man and woman come child, three dimensions. Men and women and their children form humanity. Four dimensions. What is the significance of four?
Numerology. A dimension of our reality far older than our science, yet exactly what our science has become. Mathematics was long thought of as a mere intellectual exercise, originally overlooked by the naturalists that coined the phrase, "science." It is still largely considered an art, yet no modern physicist can work without it. It is the numbers that speak of string theory, not the words. Seven curled-up dimensions, cosmic superstrings that create reality through vibration - and that's about it, other than a big ol' pile of equations.
What is really real - the numbers, or the roar of the tiger? If we work together, we can slay the beast, no? Isn't it all just a matter of perspective? This is what science says - cause and effect, empirical evidence, the future is a story being told by the past - and this is why science cannot stand alone. I really don't know about chakras, or meditation, or long-distance energy transferal - but I know that there's more than science going on. There's Gwynnie, for one. Everything I know, science tells me resides in this skull; that I end when this body dies. Yet, if it should come to the tiger; it's him or me - but Gwynnie lives.
skydivephil
Active Member
Can you be more specific?
imaginaryme
Active Member
Tigers, Phil; tigers.
When the tiger roars, he is saying "beat it" in a language every animal understands. The science says the tiger is four hundred pounds of tooth and claw and raw power. The science says that tiger has no higher purpose that to eat foolish naked apes like me. Yet the religion says that tiger ain't getting my Gwynnies. I don't fancy my chances against the tiger, sitting here in my walled enclave of Phoenix; yet conversely, I have much better odds standing between the tiger and Gwyneth Paltrow.
An added dimension beyond the kingdom of self. The tiger's in the cage, so it had to happen at one point in the past that man conquered tiger. I'm thinking he didn't do it alone - it was more like men - and I'm also thinking that a few men ended up in the belly of the tiger trying to validate the hypothesis that tiger could be conquered. There was no empirical evidence for such a hypothesis to be formed. Wanna take a guess as to what was the basis for such a hypothesis?
Faith. It ain't all bad.
When the tiger roars, he is saying "beat it" in a language every animal understands. The science says the tiger is four hundred pounds of tooth and claw and raw power. The science says that tiger has no higher purpose that to eat foolish naked apes like me. Yet the religion says that tiger ain't getting my Gwynnies. I don't fancy my chances against the tiger, sitting here in my walled enclave of Phoenix; yet conversely, I have much better odds standing between the tiger and Gwyneth Paltrow.
An added dimension beyond the kingdom of self. The tiger's in the cage, so it had to happen at one point in the past that man conquered tiger. I'm thinking he didn't do it alone - it was more like men - and I'm also thinking that a few men ended up in the belly of the tiger trying to validate the hypothesis that tiger could be conquered. There was no empirical evidence for such a hypothesis to be formed. Wanna take a guess as to what was the basis for such a hypothesis?
Faith. It ain't all bad.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
Kindly HOLD YOUR BREATH!
what happens, awareness increases.
The start breathing slowly, very slowly.
Watch how the gestalt changes, inside.
Again when the lion /tiger roars STOP BREATHING! and slow it and watch the mind stilling and in that stillness you meet the tiger through the eye contact and in that the energy of each merges and becomes ONE and each then is free.
Personally still experimenting as lack that energy and control and that is practice.
Finally it is the garden of eden and all energy in different forms, remove that *I* from the mind, just that universal energy in different forms including the form which is labeled *I* and a whole new world opens up simply with this understanding and then with practice towards realization of the understanding through that control.
Best Wishes.
Love & rgds
Kindly HOLD YOUR BREATH!
what happens, awareness increases.
The start breathing slowly, very slowly.
Watch how the gestalt changes, inside.
If you are running from the tiger because it roared then sorry, it was not you it was what is stored in your brain from the past, fear, specially fear of death.
Again when the lion /tiger roars STOP BREATHING! and slow it and watch the mind stilling and in that stillness you meet the tiger through the eye contact and in that the energy of each merges and becomes ONE and each then is free.
Personally still experimenting as lack that energy and control and that is practice.
Finally it is the garden of eden and all energy in different forms, remove that *I* from the mind, just that universal energy in different forms including the form which is labeled *I* and a whole new world opens up simply with this understanding and then with practice towards realization of the understanding through that control.
Best Wishes.
Love & rgds
skydivephil
Active Member
Tigers, Phil; tigers.
When the tiger roars, he is saying "beat it" in a language every animal understands. The science says the tiger is four hundred pounds of tooth and claw and raw power. The science says that tiger has no higher purpose that to eat foolish naked apes like me. Yet the religion says that tiger ain't getting my Gwynnies. I don't fancy my chances against the tiger, sitting here in my walled enclave of Phoenix; yet conversely, I have much better odds standing between the tiger and Gwyneth Paltrow.
An added dimension beyond the kingdom of self. The tiger's in the cage, so it had to happen at one point in the past that man conquered tiger. I'm thinking he didn't do it alone - it was more like men - and I'm also thinking that a few men ended up in the belly of the tiger trying to validate the hypothesis that tiger could be conquered. There was no empirical evidence for such a hypothesis to be formed. Wanna take a guess as to what was the basis for such a hypothesis?
Faith. It ain't all bad.
thats being more specific?
blackout
Violet.
Very often doctors do nothing but hand out/dispense pharmesudicals.
While these drugs CAN help,
(a particular problem)
most often they simply trade off one problem for another.
They do not actually HEAL the person.
Have you seen the lists of warnings on those things?
Unfortunately modern medicine... beyond broken arms...
is often not actually about healing at all.
Also, while I may trust DOCTORS in general,
to be well qualified in their field...
I do not trust the big money pharmesudical companies
as far as I can throw them.
Their motives are profit.
If they ACTUALLY healed everyone
they would soon be out of business.
While these drugs CAN help,
(a particular problem)
most often they simply trade off one problem for another.
They do not actually HEAL the person.
Have you seen the lists of warnings on those things?
Unfortunately modern medicine... beyond broken arms...
is often not actually about healing at all.
Also, while I may trust DOCTORS in general,
to be well qualified in their field...
I do not trust the big money pharmesudical companies
as far as I can throw them.
Their motives are profit.
If they ACTUALLY healed everyone
they would soon be out of business.
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JMorris
Democratic Socialist
i would agree. i am bi-polar, and have taken many meds. some time back, i decided not to take any more meds because the side effects were just as bad, if not worse, than the symptoms they were supposed to fix.
skydivephil
Active Member
the motive of airlines is also profit, does that mean you dont think airplanes can fly?
The motvie of pretty much every industry is profit. That is never the method of assesing whther their goods actaully do what they say on the tin.
blackout
Violet.
katiafish
consciousness incarnate
"This world is indeed a living being endowed with a soul and intelligence, a single visible living entity containing all other entities, which by their nature are all related. "
Plato
One does not have to be a great thinker, scientist of philosopher to understand this simple truth. All you need for awakening is to become conscious of your Self and observe the relationship with the Self and the environment it is in, in order to see the connection. As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to claim that with the conscious awakening of the Self, this observation will become unavoidable.
Saying that, I realize that not all people will reach that most natural level of awareness in their life time, allthough all people have the potential to become awakened..
Plato
One does not have to be a great thinker, scientist of philosopher to understand this simple truth. All you need for awakening is to become conscious of your Self and observe the relationship with the Self and the environment it is in, in order to see the connection. As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to claim that with the conscious awakening of the Self, this observation will become unavoidable.
Saying that, I realize that not all people will reach that most natural level of awareness in their life time, allthough all people have the potential to become awakened..
blackout
Violet.
Nope honey. You didn't hurt my sentiments. lol
I'd have to be in an EPICALLY ***** MOOD to get that easily rattled.
I just REALLY don't care that much. haha!
Instant karma
New Member
scary when you think about how much power pharmaceutical companys have. Makes you wonder where viruses really come from.
skydivephil
Active Member
Your logic is absurd. Just suppose that drug companies made drugs that actually worked. What would we expect to see, we would expect to see them making money. Yet you want to conclude the exact opposite form the same observation. All companies are in the business of making money, to assess whether their products work becuase of the money they make is ridiculous.