Discovery Institute's rebuttal of PBS's Judgement Day: Intelligent Design

[Dubio]

I am sure many of you saw the PBS documentary "Judgement Day: Intelligent Design". The Discovery Institute apparently believes that the documentary is biased(see link). I am in the process of watching the documentary and it seems unbiased to me. Is the Discovery Institute falsely accusing PBS and the documentary of being biased? Just trying to understand.

PBS Airs False Facts in its "Inherit the Wind" Version of the <i>Kitzmiller</i> Trial (Updated) - Evolution News & Views

 

[fallingblood]

I am sure many of you saw the PBS documentary "Judgement Day: Intelligent Design". The Discovery Institute apparently believes that the documentary is biased(see link). I am in the process of watching the documentary and it seems unbiased to me. Is the Discovery Institute falsely accusing PBS and the documentary of being biased? Just trying to understand.

PBS Airs False Facts in its "Inherit the Wind" Version of the <i>Kitzmiller</i> Trial (Updated) - Evolution News & Views

I simply just read the update, at the top of the page of your link. From just that, I can tell you beyond a doubt, Discovery Institute is full of it.

 

[outhouse]

Discovery Institute

is fraudulent

they really should be outlawed for known poisoning of human minds, and detrimentally affecting the advancement of humanity

Discovery Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A federal court, along with the majority of scientific organizations, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science, say the Institute has manufactured the controversy they want to teach by promoting a false perception that evolution is "a theory in crisis",[8] through incorrectly claiming that it is the subject of wide controversy and debate within the scientific community.[9][10][11] In 2005, a federal court ruled that the Discovery Institute pursues "demonstrably religious, cultural, and legal missions",[8][10][12] and the institute's manifesto, the Wedge strategy,[13] describes a religious goal: to "reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions".[14][15] It was the Federal Court's opinion that intelligent design was merely a redressing of creationism and that, as such, it was not a scientific proposition.

 

[fallingblood]

Yes, let's become thought police and limit freedom of speech. Kill all dissenters.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Of course a conservative Christian organization is going to claim that anything that goes against what they teach is biased. This is their mantra. And most aren't opposed to creating controversy and outright lies to try to 'prove their point'. There's no real excuse for it, these are the kind of actions that religious fundamentalism creates.

 

[outhouse]

Yes, let's become thought police and limit freedom of speech. Kill all dissenters.

what I stated stands.

you took what I stated completely out of context. :areyoucra

first outlawing something is not murder, and their tactics are already outlawed from public schools.

freedom of speech has limitations already, you can find yourself in serious trouble walking around a airport and yelling bomb! And a teacher cannot invoke freedom of speech and start teaching children mythology in place of known valid science.




We are talking about false fraudulent teaching that affect society in a negative way, already outlawed in some respects. These teachings have no place in reality for a positive outcome for the betterment of citizens of these united states in a global market place

mythology is not a sellable item in a global market dealing with biology/biotech on a daily basis

 

[outhouse]

this explains the danger of mass fraudulent information to the public

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Discovery Institute: Dangerous to More Than Just Science - YouTube

 

[fallingblood]

And who cares about freedom of speech. If we don't agree with it, off with their heads. How dare they have opposing views. Don't they know freedom of speech doesn't protect speech we don't like? Those criminals.



Back to topic, the Discovery Institute has a very strong belief in an idea that some claim the Bible upholds. They, from what can be gathered, truly believe what they are peddling. They have arguments that they believe are logical. But in the end, their preconceived notions fail them greatly.

 

[outhouse]

If we don't agree with it, off with their heads

again, out of context completely

How dare they have opposing views.

how dare they fraudulantly peddle misinformation

Don't they know freedom of speech doesn't protect speech we don't like?

that does not equate to "should" outlaw their poison, as anyone else trying to shove pink flying unicorns with purple poka dots into a science class.


freedom of speech was not free, and there are limits standing

 

[outhouse]

this explains more of their fraudulent behaviour, and for some who cant see the light, committing fraud is against the law.

Socialist Humanism with a human face: The Discovery Institute Fraud (Creationism)

The Discovery Institute Fraud (Creationism)


The truly baffling aspect of this movement is that they aren&#8217;t a bunch of religious fanatics living out in the wild. They live in modern suburbs, drive cars, enjoy modern medicines and vaccines developed through medical knowledge only made possible with an understanding of the evolution of viruses and diseases and yet they still fervently cling to a myth created through the ignorance of the human species at a time when people thought that, rather than bacteria or viruses, invisible demons and spawns of Satan were possessing people (in a manner similar to the way in which &#8220;body thetans&#8221; attach themselves to people in the crazed space opera of Scientology) thus making them ill

 

[Man of Faith]

this explains more of their fraudulent behaviour, and for some who cant see the light, committing fraud is against the law.

Socialist Humanism with a human face: The Discovery Institute Fraud (Creationism)

The Discovery Institute Fraud (Creationism)


The truly baffling aspect of this movement is that they aren’t a bunch of religious fanatics living out in the wild. They live in modern suburbs, drive cars, enjoy modern medicines and vaccines developed through medical knowledge only made possible with an understanding of the evolution of viruses and diseases and yet they still fervently cling to a myth created through the ignorance of the human species at a time when people thought that, rather than bacteria or viruses, invisible demons and spawns of Satan were possessing people (in a manner similar to the way in which “body thetans” attach themselves to people in the crazed space opera of Scientology) thus making them ill

I think I get it. Any religious organization is fradulant and the proof of that is a secular humanist pointing it out. Brilliant!

 

[Photonic]

I am sure many of you saw the PBS documentary "Judgement Day: Intelligent Design". The Discovery Institute apparently believes that the documentary is biased(see link). I am in the process of watching the documentary and it seems unbiased to me. Is the Discovery Institute falsely accusing PBS and the documentary of being biased? Just trying to understand.

PBS Airs False Facts in its "Inherit the Wind" Version of the <i>Kitzmiller</i> Trial (Updated) - Evolution News & Views

The Discovery Institute manufactures their own context and claims bias if it is dissenting.

 

[Photonic]

I think I get it. Any religious organization is fradulant and the proof of that is a secular humanist pointing it out. Brilliant!

No one is saying that.

This one in particular and honestly by extension, all creationism, is fraudulent.

 

[outhouse]

I think I get it. Any religious organization is fradulant and the proof of that is a secular humanist pointing it out. Brilliant!

You dont get it, thats the problem

your also taking me out of context


they are a known fraudulent enterprise, beat down by a court of law

 

[fallingblood]

No one is saying that.

This one in particular and honestly by extension, all creationism, is fraudulent.

But it isn't legally fraudulent. It's not even fraud because it isn't purposeful or for gain. If they truly believe what they are saying, it isn't fraud. It simply deluded, and people have the right to be such.

 

[Shermana]

So no actual addressing the actual claims?

Let's try point 3: Any takers?

3. PBS wrongly claims that Tiktaalik is "one of the most vivid transitional forms ever discovered" and is "the latest evidence to refute intelligent design."
A centerpiece of "Judgment Day's" attack on ID is the fossil Tiktaalik, which allegedly shows fish evolving into amphibians. It's not clear why this would "refute" ID because ID is not incompatible with universal common ancestry. Regardless, Tiktaalik is not very impressive as a transitional form because it does not document the key aspect of the alleged fish-to-amphibian evolutionary transition: the transformation of fins into feet. But Tiktaalik wasn't even discussed during the Kitzmiller trial (a point their program admits). This should raise suspicion in critically thinking minds: Why didn't PBS discuss a fossil that was promoted during the trial?--Were there no convincing fossils discussed during the Kitzmiller trial that PBS could tout on its show? For more information on why the finlike fin of Tiktaalik does not explain how feet evolved, see:

For Darwinian Evolution, It's One Step Forward, Acknowledging Two Steps Back: Taking A Look at Tiktaalik
See also Wikipedia "Intelligent Design" Entry Selectively Cites Poll Data to Present Misleading Picture of Support for Intelligent Design regarding ID and common ancestry.

I think there's been whole threads on Tiktaalik, but it's been proven that it doesn't really necessarily show any sort of development towards land-walking, but skimming shallow water, they are nothing close to actually being able to support their weight or in the direction of being.

 

[Photonic]

But it isn't legally fraudulent. It's not even fraud because it isn't purposeful or for gain. If they truly believe what they are saying, it isn't fraud. It simply deluded, and people have the right to be such.

I disagree, and I do have a nice court case to back up my legal use of Fraud. But we'll move on anyways.

 

[outhouse]

But it isn't legally fraudulent. It's not even fraud because it isn't purposeful or for gain. If they truly believe what they are saying, it isn't fraud. It simply deluded, and people have the right to be such.

sure it is

its claiming mythology has a place in reality instead of science.

and while these fraudulent perpetrators claim its not for cash, I belive they rake in millions from unsuspecting ignorant theist wishing to hold on to faith tighter then green cold hard cash

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I think I get it. Any religious organization is fradulant and the proof of that is a secular humanist pointing it out. Brilliant!

So the Discovery Institute is a religious organization?

Last I checked, they tout themselves as a "non-religious, scientific" organization. So, which is it?

 

[fallingblood]

I disagree, and I do have a nice court case to back up my legal use of Fraud. But we'll move on anyways.

Why not show the court case. And show how one can be active in fraud even though they aren't doing it for the money or out of deception (as in they aren't doing it for what the dictionary defines as fraud).