Divorce

[Autodidact]

This thread is for the many Christians who oppose divorce as unbiblical to speak out in favor of changing American divorce laws.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

This thread is for the many Christians who oppose divorce as unbiblical to speak out in favor of changing American divorce laws.

*doesn't hold breath*

 

[tumbleweed41]

 

[Eliot Wild]

Was that . . . Could it have been . . . did I really just hear a pin drop?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

This thread is for the many Christians who oppose divorce as unbiblical to speak out in favor of changing American divorce laws.

Yes I'm dumb, but could you rephrase the question? So many negative and positive references I am not sure I understand.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

In my understanding of the bible, The only acceptable divorce is if someone in the marriage commits adultery. Though I'm against laws saying no divorce, because divorce can help abused people escape from their abusive partners.

 

[Autodidact]

In my understanding of the bible, The only acceptable divorce is if someone in the marriage commits adultery. Though I'm against laws saying no divorce, because divorce can help abused people escape from their abusive partners.

So your feeling is that it's O.K., even a good idea, for the law to differ from the Biblical position?

(*hint* this thread is a secret trap to discuss Christian inconsistency as applied to homosexuality.)

 

[Rainbow Mage]

(*hint* this thread is a secret trap to discuss Christian inconsistency as applied to homosexuality.)

::Listens to the crickets chirp:: :sorry1:

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I still don't get the question

 

[Autodidact]

Well, Mike, it's like this. Jesus went to great pains to prohibit divorce, or divorce except for adultery. It's clearly prohibited. Yet millions of Christians do it, and there is no movement to change the law to make it illegal. These same Christians are very concerned that same-sex marriage be prohibited, despite the facts that: (1) it is never mentioned in the Bible (2) Jesus never said a word about homosexuality (3) It is not at all clear whether homosexuality is prohibited (4) lesbianism is clearly NOT prohibited.

On many occasions, I have called them hypocrites for being excited about a non-existent prohibition, while failing to advocate the corollary position when it could apply to them.

I thought I should be fair and give them an opportunity to rail against the sin of divorce and call for Biblical standards to be recognized in the law.

Oddly, they seem uninterested in doing so.

Which of course will give me more ammunition to call them what they are, which is a bunch of Big Fat Hypocrites.

 

[blackout]

In my understanding of the bible, The only acceptable divorce is if someone in the marriage commits adultery. Though I'm against laws saying no divorce, because divorce can help abused people escape from their abusive partners.

And... well... also because people should not be forced to live unhappy lives...
or live in a situation of unresolvable strife...
or live with someone they don't love...etc etc
and of course also
there's that pesky little fact that not everyone is christian.....
(and we don't live by your teachings)

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Well, Mike, it's like this. Jesus went to great pains to prohibit divorce, or divorce except for adultery. It's clearly prohibited. Yet millions of Christians do it, and there is no movement to change the law to make it illegal. These same Christians are very concerned that same-sex marriage be prohibited, despite the facts that: (1) it is never mentioned in the Bible (2) Jesus never said a word about homosexuality (3) It is not at all clear whether homosexuality is prohibited (4) lesbianism is clearly NOT prohibited.

On many occasions, I have called them hypocrites for being excited about a non-existent prohibition, while failing to advocate the corollary position when it could apply to them.

I thought I should be fair and give them an opportunity to rail against the sin of divorce and call for Biblical standards to be recognized in the law.

Oddly, they seem uninterested in doing so.

Which of course will give me more ammunition to call them what they are, which is a bunch of Big Fat Hypocrites.

thanks for the clarification. If I may I would like to point out something of interest pertaining to your post. The word "except" can also be translated "even" and if done so give a whole new meaning to the whole New Testament divorce issue. In fact, in my studies it makes much more sense to use the wor even and not except.

I know that does little to change your position but thougt you might like to know that information. Jesus also said there won't be marriage in heaven which indicates marriage has a specific function for here on earth.

I am particularly interested in this topic, so if you care to discuss either of these ideas that would be great, particularly about how they effect your position. It may make your position even stronger.

 

[Autodidact]

thanks for the clarification. If I may I would like to point out something of interest pertaining to your post. The word "except" can also be translated "even" and if done so give a whole new meaning to the whole New Testament divorce issue. In fact, in my studies it makes much more sense to use the wor even and not except.

I know that does little to change your position but thougt you might like to know that information. Jesus also said there won't be marriage in heaven which indicates marriage has a specific function for here on earth.

I am particularly interested in this topic, so if you care to discuss either of these ideas that would be great, particularly about how they effect your position. It may make your position even stronger.

You mean, you may not divorce EVEN if there is adultery?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

You mean, you may not divorce EVEN if there is adultery?

That is correct. There is a school of thougt that believes the marriage institution is a picture of Christ and his people. This school of thought also believes Moses gave the divorce allowance as a sign of which God eventually used to divorce the Jewish people and re-marry to the Gentiles.

So when it comes to what Jesus taught about divorce, divorce was completely disbanned.

However there is something many people miss in their pursuit to teach other christianity and how to live. They forget the lesson Jesus taught about the bread in the temple. Jesus was asked why do you eat the bread on the sabath from the temple and do that which is unlawful? Jesus replied to which of you having an animal that fell in a ditch on the sabath day will not go in and get the animal? So, it is lawful to do good on the sabath. For the law was made for man not man for the law.

We see then even in divorce, we must excercise our discernment of good. Is the wife in a ditch? Is it good for her to divorce her abusive husband? Are ther other situations that are similar?

As too gay marriage, if you are engaging Christian doctrine for information you have to also take Pauls writings and Paul said God gave certain people up to vile affections so that men are burned in their lust one for another.

Now, is it wrong for two men to get married? From a biblical perspective it is wrong. It doesn't mean it is worse or more wrong the a hetero couple in an abusive relationship, but it is still wrong in the eyes of the bible.

 

[Duck]

You mean, you may not divorce EVEN if there is adultery?

From my reading of his post, that seems to be the vein of his comment. No divorce EVEN in cases of adultery. An interesting thought.

Odd that the BFH's haven't flocked here to decry divorce yet.

Kind of telling. Perhaps you should edit your title to include the word 'homosexuality' or 'gay' that will draw them like flies I bet. And the BFH's would probably twist the OP idea to show somehow that because Jesus forbid divorce, and Paul suggested that everyone stay celibate and single, then gay marriage is responsible for the eruption of Eyjafjallajokull. And deforestation of the Amazon, the Deep Water Horizon disaster, tsunamis, earthquakes and dogs and cats living together.

 

[Autodidact]

It's amazing, a real shock and disappointment. It's almost as though those vociferous opponents of gay rights and gay marriage don't really care about the Bible at all, they're just a bunch of stinking hypocrites who only read the Bible when it applies to someone else. That can't be right, can it? Didn't Jesus say something about that?

 

[tarasan]

This thread is for the many Christians who oppose divorce as unbiblical to speak out in favor of changing American divorce laws.

I have no idea what the american divorce laws are but i oppose divorce, within Christianity

 

[Autodidact]

I have no idea what the american divorce laws are but i oppose divorce, within Christianity

Do you think divorce should be illegal in England?

 

[tarasan]

Do you think divorce should be illegal in England?

In a secular culture?

no the bible firmly states that I cannot force these kinds of rules outside my faith.

however within Christian culture you can strongly say no Divorce, however again, you cant STOP them because we live within a secular culture

 

[Autodidact]

In a secular culture?

no the bible firmly states that I cannot force these kinds of rules outside my faith.

however within Christian culture you can strongly say no Divorce, however again, you cant STOP them because we live within a secular culture

What about same-sex marriage?