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Do All Republican Candidates Favor Insurrection?

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Stevicus

Stevicus

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Revoltingest said:
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Why it matters: Trump currently faces 87 felony charges across Florida, New York and Georgia over allegations that he tried to overturn 2020 election results, interfered in the election, mishandled classified materials and paid a porn star hush money.
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I wouldn't interpret a pardon as meaning they favor insurrection. Just like when Ford pardoned Nixon, he didn't do so to endorse or approve of any of Nixon's crimes. At the time, it was considered more a matter of practical politics.

If we assume that Trump is found guilty, jailed, knocked off the ballot - or whatever might happen - then whoever is left standing among the GOP candidates is going to be dealing with a multitude of very unhappy and angry people. It would be in the interest of the GOP to shift that anger away from them and towards the Democrats. That's just practical politics.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Stevicus said:
I wouldn't interpret a pardon as meaning they favor insurrection. Just like when Ford pardoned Nixon, he didn't do so to endorse or approve of any of Nixon's crimes. At the time, it was considered more a matter of practical politics.
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"Favor" was a clickbait word.
"Tolerate" is applicable.
Stevicus said:
If we assume that Trump is found guilty, jailed, knocked off the ballot - or whatever might happen - then whoever is left standing among the GOP candidates is going to be dealing with a multitude of very unhappy and angry people. It would be in the interest of the GOP to shift that anger away from them and towards the Democrats. That's just practical politics.
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Trump will never be jailed.
Presidents are largely above the law.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Revoltingest said:
"Favor" was a clickbait word.
"Tolerate" is applicable.
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"Forgive" might be more appropriate. Just like the ex-Confederates were forgiven after the Civil War. They committed treason and engaged in insurrection, and the government said "Okay, just this once, we'll let it go. But next time, watch it!" But the reality was that they wanted the Union restored quickly and amicably, which is why they were inclined towards indulgences like that.

Revoltingest said:
Trump will never be jailed.
Presidents are largely above the law.
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Jeff Davis was jailed for a couple of years, but when full amnesty was given to the Confederates, the government decided not to try Davis, so he was then released.

But in Trump's case, the government (both federal and state govts.) are doing a full-court press on prosecutions, as Trump is facing a total of 91 counts. I can't see them suddenly dropping the charges at this juncture, and if he's found guilty, they may have no other choice but to impose some form of sentence. Maybe house arrest or something like that, if not jail. Or they could suspend the sentence, but I can't imagine why they would do that after going through all the trouble and expense of a trial.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Revoltingest said:
Hardly analogous...his leadership
role was in a different country...or
rather an attempt at one.
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That's the defense they would have used if it went to trial, but they couldn't accept that defense since it would have acknowledged that the Confederacy was another country, which it most certainly was not.

Still, getting back to the main point, if Trump does not go to prison, it's for one of three reasons:

- He is found not guilty.
- He is pardoned for his crimes.
- They suspend his sentence.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Stevicus said:
That's the defense they would have used if it went to trial, but they couldn't accept that defense since it would have acknowledged that the Confederacy was another country, which it most certainly was not.

Still, getting back to the main point, if Trump does not go to prison, it's for one of three reasons:

- He is found not guilty.
- He is pardoned for his crimes.
- They suspend his sentence.
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- They give him a non-prison sentence.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

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Revoltingest said:
It seems that many don't understand the context
of this thread. It's about US politics. In this context,
I say that Presidents are above the law. Davis was
not a US President.
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But he was a US citizen who was president of a new country albeit short-lived as it was.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Revoltingest said:
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Why it matters: Trump currently faces 87 felony charges across Florida, New York and Georgia over allegations that he tried to overturn 2020 election results, interfered in the election, mishandled classified materials and paid a porn star hush money.
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I myself could see Trump being given a conditional pardon, if such a thing was possible He would have to agree to shut up and go away or face a lifetime of imprisonment.

Getting back to the topic of pardons, if he is found guilty in Georgia he cannot be pardoned by the President for that. That case is a state crime, not a federal one.
 
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