Do All Republican Candidates Favor Insurrection?

[Sargonski]

Yes, but as has been explained, your context was not clear. It may have been clear to you, but it was not clear to anyone else. Here is a clue, if no one sees a problem with an answer the problem may be yours.


I see that you do not know how to use a dictionary. Yes, we all know that there are multiple definitions to a word. If you want to ask "which one" without a qualifier it is going to be the first one. That one is first since dictionaries tend to list the most common definition first. I hope that this was some help for you.


Again, without a qualifier, go the the first definition.

Wait! You mean that you are finally realizing your errors?




Oh wait. You did not see your errors.

By the way, did you know that another very way to use the dictionary is to check one's posts for spelling errors? One can avoid the dilema<sic> of the embarassing<sic> result of people exclam<sicWTF?> about one's countless errors.

Only one engaged in the most intentionally ridiculous of activities would desire to spell check a forum post -
thinking spelling error is an argument for something - other than ones own lack of argument. This is the second cause for embarrassment friend .. the first being not realizing that a dictionary can have multiple definitions for a word.

Now that we have that out of the way .. errors relevant to understanding of the topic .. 2 thusfar - both apparrently unresolved but, worry not - despite this deficiency .. we can still continue with the topic rather than desperate fallacious personal invective --

Tell us what definition of Insurrection you are using and why ?

 

[Revoltingest]

Right ..

Left.

 

[wellwisher]

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/29/haley-pardon-trump-as-president

Excerpted....
Why it matters: Trump currently faces 87 felony charges across Florida, New York and Georgia over allegations that he tried to overturn 2020 election results, interfered in the election, mishandled classified materials and paid a porn star hush money.

• Haley joins her fellow Republicans Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy in signaling support for a possible pardon for Trump.

An insurrection would be against a legitimate and lawful government. A Revolution is against a corrupt and lawless government. The word you meant to say is the Republicans are for a Revolution against a corrupt government.

For example, we have immigration laws in places designed to protect the US borders. Congress made these laws per then powers granted by the Constitution. A corrupt government will not obey the law, like Biden Regime is not doing. Therefore, it is not insurrection to stand up against a corrupt government, but it is a revolution in spirit of 2024. Texas is trying to obey and enforced the existing immigration laws even if the Biden Regime is acting lawless. The Biden regime is trying to force Texas to remain lawless, like them, through their kangaroo court system. Courts are supposed to enforce the law not help the corrupt ignore them.

The base problem is the word games of the corrupt Democrat regime. They says things like "inflation reduction act" than go on to cause the worse inflation in decades. Inflation reduction did not mean inflation reduction but enhance inflation. The term insurrection is also backwards to reality of the situation. Judge not by the twisted words of corrupt people, but by their actions and their results. Using Government to target political opponents or censor social media is not how any Democracy works, even if the twisted double talkers, claim that this is being done to help Democracy. Stop being boneheads and wake up.

Let me give an example, NY is prosecuting Trump saying he exaggerated his worth and hood winked banks for loans. If this is to be the precedent going forward, then any pork barrel spending, by Government, that underestimates its final cost; ignores all the over runs, just to con funding, should be prosecuting in court; same rip off scam they accused Trump. They will be subject to fines from their own wealth since they do this for kickbacks.

For example, in Boston we had the Big Dig, also known as the Big Pig. It was massive construction project to fix the traffic problem through the city with tunnels and bridges. The final costs were double compared to how it was sold, to get the pork barrel money. We will need to bring those con artists to trial. If this regime is honest and consistent and Trump was not just a political target, then we will go back and gather all the porkbarrel overrun crooks for trial. Litmus test; If not this is part of the corrupt regime tactic that needs a Revolution. We can take their ill gotten fortunes to pay the balance owed.

 

[Revoltingest]

An insurrection would be against a legitimate and lawful government.

Not necessarily.
But it was on the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol.

A Revolution is against a corrupt and lawless government.

Not necessarily.

The word you meant to say is the Republicans are for a Revolution against a corrupt government.

No.
I find both Dems & Pubs to be corrupt.
But Biden won the election, & Trump lost.
Trump failed at his coup, & is the far far more
corrupt of the two. Dangerous man he is,
especially now that he threatens persecution
of political foes, & reasons that he can use
Seal Team 6 to assassinate them.

In the rest of your post, you cited reasons you
believe Dems are worse. But you don't compare
the sins of Trump & his Maga cult. It's mere
propaganda if you don't compare them in a
fair & balanced manner.

 

[wellwisher]

At least not on the Union side. On Confederate land however he was a recognized leader and President of the Confederate States of America.

I guess you could call him an alternate president of America.

This part of the Democrats tactic to rewrite history to avoid responsibly. Then they to sell their projected mirror world; left is right and right is left.

 

[wellwisher]

Not necessarily.
But it was on the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol.

Not necessarily.

No.
I find both Dems & Pubs to be corrupt.
But Biden won the election, & Trump lost.
Trump failed at his coup, & is the far far more
corrupt of the two. Dangerous man he is,
especially now that he threatens persecution
of political foes, & reasons that he can use
Seal Team 6 to assassinate them.

In the rest of your post, you cited reasons you
believe Dems are worse. But you don't compare
the sins of Trump & his Maga cult. It's mere
propaganda if you don't compare them in a
fair & balanced manner.

The problem you have is you fixate on one day while I look at the past 7 years. Do the math. Congress was up and running in thre hours, That had to be the wimpiest insurrection, as you say, in history. We are still feeling the inflation from the Inflation recovery act. While the regime disobeying border law now has cost the citizens about 1/2 $trillion. Liberal artists are not know for their math skills, but are good a writing fiction.

 

[Revoltingest]

The problem you have is you fixate on one day while I look at the past 7 years.

You're so utterly mistaken. Apparently, you
don't read my posts. I give far more weight
to Trump's other treasonous acts...
- Ordering Pence to over-turn the election.
- Threatening Secretaries of State with prosecution
if they don't invent votes for Trump.

You see what you want to see.
And ignore the sins of Trump & his cult.

Do the math.

I'm curious.
How far have you gotten in math studies?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only one engaged in the most intentionally ridiculous of activities would desire to spell check a forum post -
thinking spelling error is an argument for something - other than ones own lack of argument. This is the second cause for embarrassment friend .. the first being not realizing that a dictionary can have multiple definitions for a word.

Now that we have that out of the way .. errors relevant to understanding of the topic .. 2 thusfar - both apparrently unresolved but, worry not - despite this deficiency .. we can still continue with the topic rather than desperate fallacious personal invective --

Tell us what definition of Insurrection you are using and why ?

Oh my, so sensitive.

You have not been paying attention to the corrections given to you. Your spelling was indicative of it, so no. you are once again wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The problem you have is you fixate on one day while I look at the past 7 years. Do the math. Congress was up and running in thre hours, That had to be the wimpiest insurrection, as you say, in history. We are still feeling the inflation from the Inflation recovery act. While the regime disobeying border law now has cost the citizens about 1/2 $trillion. Liberal artists are not know for their math skills, but are good a writing fiction.

You are not doing proper studies. We know what caused the latest bout of inflation. And it was not Biden's fault. Guess what? It was not Trump's fault either, though the spending that caused it started under him. It was due to the spending on the pandemic. Both Presidents authorized massive amounts of spending to keep the economy running during the pandemic. There is a price to excessive government spending and that is inflation. And Biden's policies appear to have helped greatly. Inflation is down, in fact our inflation is much less than Europe's, and our growth rate is faster. So once again when it comes to verifiable facts you are wrong:

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/europe-faces-dirtier-inflation-fight-than-us-2023-09-06/

 

[F1fan]

An insurrection would be against a legitimate and lawful government.

Sure, and that is what Trump tried to cause by having the new administration being acknowledged. In this case Trump and other conspirators attempted to sabotage the requirement of counting electoral votes on Jan 6th. That effort failed, and as a result over a thousand MAGA criminals have been arrested and many convicted, and Trump and his co-conspirators have been indicted and facing trials.

A Revolution is against a corrupt and lawless government. The word you meant to say is the Republicans are for a Revolution against a corrupt government.

Which republicans? Liz Cheney, Romney, Kinzinger, Christie? Yes, but the rest of the republicans who side with Trump are the corrupt who are trying to sabotage democracy and justice. As we see via the availble evidence Trump was the corrupt leader trying to twart a secure election that he lost. There was no need for a revolution against Trump because there were enough who did their duty, and followed the law.

For example, we have immigration laws in places designed to protect the US borders. Congress made these laws per then powers granted by the Constitution. A corrupt government will not obey the law, like Biden Regime is not doing. Therefore, it is not insurrection to stand up against a corrupt government, but it is a revolution in spirit of 2024. Texas is trying to obey and enforced the existing immigration laws even if the Biden Regime is acting lawless. The Biden regime is trying to force Texas to remain lawless, like them, through their kangaroo court system. Courts are supposed to enforce the law not help the corrupt ignore them.

The republicans have a majority in congress and they could write legislation to solve problems. But they don;t want to do anuything that will make Biden look effective, so place the blame where it belongs. Biden can't do anything by himself to solve the problems at the border.

The base problem is the word games of the corrupt Democrat regime. They says things like "inflation reduction act" than go on to cause the worse inflation in decades. Inflation reduction did not mean inflation reduction but enhance inflation. The term insurrection is also backwards to reality of the situation. Judge not by the twisted words of corrupt people, but by their actions and their results. Using Government to target political opponents or censor social media is not how any Democracy works, even if the twisted double talkers, claim that this is being done to help Democracy. Stop being boneheads and wake up.

Let me give an example, NY is prosecuting Trump saying he exaggerated his worth and hood winked banks for loans. If this is to be the precedent going forward, then any pork barrel spending, by Government, that underestimates its final cost; ignores all the over runs, just to con funding, should be prosecuting in court; same rip off scam they accused Trump. They will be subject to fines from their own wealth since they do this for kickbacks.

For example, in Boston we had the Big Dig, also known as the Big Pig. It was massive construction project to fix the traffic problem through the city with tunnels and bridges. The final costs were double compared to how it was sold, to get the pork barrel money. We will need to bring those con artists to trial. If this regime is honest and consistent and Trump was not just a political target, then we will go back and gather all the porkbarrel overrun crooks for trial. Litmus test; If not this is part of the corrupt regime tactic that needs a Revolution. We can take their ill gotten fortunes to pay the balance owed.

And just more far right wing word salad nonsense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let me give an example, NY is prosecuting Trump saying he exaggerated his worth and hood winked banks for loans. If this is to be the precedent going forward, then any pork barrel spending, by Government, that underestimates its final cost; ignores all the over runs, just to con funding, should be prosecuting in court; same rip off scam they accused Trump. They will be subject to fines from their own wealth since they do this for kickbacks.

No, not at all. Do you not know whose figures that they used in that trial? During the time period that the trial is covering the country assessed Mar a Lago at from $18 million to $28 million dollars. Why so low? Well to start off with because Trump argued when he first put restrictions on Mar a Lago that it was less than the original figure cited and got the country to reduce it to $18 million dollars. Meanwhile during that time period he lied and claimed that it was worth as much as $490 million dollars. So why the difference? Easy, Trump lied. To get that low valuation Trump signed over to the county his rights to develop the property. Forever. That means that even if he sells it to someone else that they cannot develop it either. The development rights re owed by the county. As a golf course its ability to generate income is far less than as residential or commercial property. And to get his valuation for his loans, again the number that he used, he treated it as if it were residential property.

"The year that Mar-a-Lago agreed with the appraiser about its $27 million valuation, Trump and the company listed it as worth $490 million on financial documents given to banks, according to the New York Attorney General."

Before the trial started the judge had most of the evidence. And it was upon the undisputed evidence, the evidence that both sides agreed was true that he was able to give a verdict before the trial even started that Trump was guilty. Was that a miscarriage of justice? No, not at all. Both sides requested a verdict before the trial. Both sides agreed to all of the evidence given. They still had a complete trial because the prosecutor thought that it was best that everything got place openly on the record.

Trump says Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.8 billion. Not long ago, his own company thought that was over $1.7 billion too high.

Trump might think Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.8 billion, but in 2020, his own company said the Palm Beach appraiser was right. That year, the county valued Mar-a-Lago at $27 million.

www.cbsnews.com

When Trump himself argued for the low valuation of Mar a Lago it is not the judges fault if he uses that valuation in the trial.

By the way there was no jury in that trial. Was that fair?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump appeals to the new America

No, he appeals to bigots and boneheads. "New America?" We the People rejected him both times he was on the ballot, and not only that he was rejected against some weaker Dem opponents. Hillary amd Biden just are not the ultra charismatic, silver tongued personality cults that Bill and Obama are.

 

[Sargonski]

Oh my, so sensitive.

You have not been paying attention to the corrections given to you. Your spelling was indicative of it, so no. you are once again wrong.

Sorry friend .. running around chasing typo's - pretending this is an argument for something other than mind bending fallacy and deflection from the topic at hand is silly , and it is not about sensitivity on my part .. but your inability to correct this deficiency .. and say something related to the topic !!

Now insurrection is the correctly spelled word you are supposed to be addressing. What you have not managed to do is tell us which definition of insurrection you are using and why this definition applies to the Trump case .. and same with Revo who has apparently left the building .. unable to manage to define his terms either ..

Left.

Sup Lads !? -- why so blue .. can't manage to tell us what an insurrection is ? no worries .. its not only you ... thats how thigns work in the land of the Kangaroo .. when the courts just make stuff up ... and that will do.

This is what bad precident is made of friends .. where you just get to make up the bar as you go.. and treat citizen protesters as GITMO

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry friend ..

Apology accepted.

 

[LuisDantas]

That fine.

Sorry, that is not right either.

It can't be fine. Not unless you are entirely politically irrelevant and fine with that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry friend .. running around chasing typo's - pretending this is an argument for something other than mind bending fallacy and deflection from the topic at hand is silly , and it is not about sensitivity on my part .. but your inability to correct this deficiency .. and say something related to the topic !!

Now insurrection is the correctly spelled word you are supposed to be addressing. What you have not managed to do is tell us which definition of insurrection you are using and why this definition applies to the Trump case .. and same with Revo who has apparently left the building .. unable to manage to define his terms either ..



Sup Lads !? -- why so blue .. can't manage to tell us what an insurrection is ? no worries .. its not only you ... thats how thigns work in the land of the Kangaroo .. when the courts just make stuff up ... and that will do.

This is what bad precident is made of friends .. where you just get to make up the bar as you go.. and treat citizen protesters as GITMO

Sorry, but you need to do better. You lose the right to make demands if you refuse to debate properly.

You asked a poorly framed question. You got an answer. Don't blame others for your failure.

 

[wellwisher]

You're so utterly mistaken. Apparently, you
don't read my posts. I give far more weight
to Trump's other treasonous acts...
- Ordering Pence to over-turn the election.
- Threatening Secretaries of State with prosecution
if they don't invent votes for Trump.

You see what you want to see.
And ignore the sins of Trump & his cult.

I'm curious.
How far have you gotten in math studies?

The charges you mention were based on words and not actual deeds. Did Pence over turn the election? No. Did Trump prosecute any secretaries of state? No.

The Left always complains how Trump lies, and now wants to believes all Trump's words one one day, has long legs. Biden and Obama spied on candidate Trump, in a way worse than Nixon, They used the FBI and CIA, under the excuse of the Russian Collusion scam. Nobody has denied the action that spying did occur This happened. There was more than a threat to spy. However, Biden and company tried to deny the action with words, until caught; FISA so others take the fall. Nothing happened even to those crooks. I was waiting for Nixon to pass the torch. Actions speak louder than words. Let us speak of tangible things and not just idle threats and pretend deeds threatened, but just things that actually happened. You will never get the death penalty for saying you will kill someone if they are still around without a scratch; words mean less than actions if you are rooted in reality

As far as the so called "insurrection", what bothers me, is how ill planned and wimpy it was. I m not saying I wanted an insurrection but why was it so limp for an insurrection? We should call it an E.D-surrection Doesn't an insurrection have more gusto?

Trump, as both a business leader and as President was a workoholic and he would work his staff hard. The Government workers, who you cannot fire, were not used to his pace, so he went thought staff like socks. If he had been planning an insurrection, it would have be the best insurrection and not something so limp. Trump was on good terms with the Military, but not with the CIA and FBI. Why not a use some of those trained people who were loyal? Why use untrained and ill equipped civilians?

The insurrections of the summer of 2020, under the guise of racial riots, were well planned, well stocked, and well executed over many cities and nobody got punished. You do not think that Trump, could have done that with only one building in one city, if he had recruited the right people to make it work? There was little Capital defense even with a warning. Why so wimpy all ways?

Do you think anyone would purposely plan such a wimpy insurrection, that was guaranteed to fail, due to poor planning, lack of resources and the improper personnel, all with no escape plans, knowing you will be held accountable, even if you did not do it? This day was too dumbed down to be the work of Trump, or any Trump supporting spooks in the Military.

This why I believe this was a setup, since not a single crooked politician broke a nail or missed lunch. The insurrection of the summer of 2020 was far more scary and did more damage and nobody was punished. That is what you expected of better planning. The real insurrection by the pro's was during the summer. That is what I would have expected if Trump went coco had the mind to do this; called in the experts, like the Democrats did to secure and take the heat buffering the brass.

One last thing Trump was never formally charge with Insurrection, including by the jan 6, committee. The mantra you speak is similar to the fake news charge of collusion in 2016. How many sang that? It is political game for gullible people. It is deigned for zero salary windmill fighters.

 

[Sargonski]

Sorry, but you need to do better. You lose the right to make demands if you refuse to debate properly.

You asked a poorly framed question. You got an answer. Don't blame others for your failure.

Apology accepted.

One can barely manage nonsensical 2 word response ... and neither can manage to define insurrection as per the Capital Protest .. but, somehow this is my failure .. Har har har

Stuck Lads ? Whats wrong other complete lack of argument ? .. have ye no ability to support your claim at all ? .. such that you are unable even to try any longer .. having a bad fail experience on previous attempt ..

 

[Revoltingest]

The charges you mention were based on words and not actual deeds.

If I were to offer reward to an assassin to
murder someone, do you believe those
words are legal?
Of course not. Conspiracy consisting
only of words to be carried out, or not
yet even carried out can indeed be
prosecutable crimes.

Did Pence over turn the election? No. Did Trump prosecute any secretaries of state? No.

Not for lack of trying.

Do you believe that Trump was wrong to...
Foment insurrection?
Order Pence to over-turn the election?
Threaten Secretaries Of State with prosecution?
Have false electors in several states vote for him?

The Left always complains how Trump lies....

I'll skip this whataboutism.
I loathe the left.
But their sins do not excuse Trump's treason.

One last thing Trump was never formally charge with Insurrection....

The Constitution doesn't require that he be charged.

 

[Revoltingest]

One can barely manage....

I manage what little I care to.