Do angels have wings ? Or did we paint it on them ?

[zacariah88]

The bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word “Angelos” greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.

20:4 exodus
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.

This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.

Ezekiel 10:1-22

That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other
in the celestial war ?


Zoroastrianism
Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism, messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.

What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is
hebrews 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”

It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.
G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!
The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power

 

[zacariah88]

The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don’t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.

Maimonides
he puts heirarchy like this

Rank Angelic Class Notes

1 Chayot Ha Kadesh [21] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 Elohim “Godly beings”
8 Bene Elohim “Sons of Godly beings”
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim “manlike beings”, see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5

Then the christian one
1: Seraphims
2:Cherubins
3:Thrones (Ophanims)
4.Dominations
5.Virtues
6.Powers
7.Principalities
8.Archangels
9.Angels

Are the order of christians.

But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi’s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?

Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.
So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.

 

[zacariah88]

When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !

1 kings6:27

27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.

It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.

Where does it say they don’t have wings ?

The ophanims ( Thrones)

they do not have wings

Ezekiel 1:15-21

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of
the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose.

Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

No where in this part do they have wings.

There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.
A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren’t they archangels shouldn’t they be Chayot

Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not biblical based they are not God’s angel another error of undocumented history they are used by the catholic church and Jewish writtings but cannot be proven their base. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no part. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets. So people the bible only talks about Michael and Gabriel only.

 

[zacariah88]

What are angels for you ? Are they real or something we saw but cannot explain ? Have you seen an angel ?

 

[exchemist]

What are angels for you ? Are they real or something we saw but cannot explain ? Have you seen an angel ?

No. More metaphors, cf. my post on demons (post 3): Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

 

[zacariah88]

Demons exist but talking about the movement of how we made angels how we like them and not how they are accurate here for example.

 

[Kenny]

The bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word “Angelos” greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.

20:4 exodus
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.

This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.

Ezekiel 10:1-22

That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other
in the celestial war ?


Zoroastrianism
Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism, messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.

What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is
hebrews 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”

It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.
G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!
The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power

I wouldn't know if all angels have wings, however if we go by the references of:

Isaiah 6:2
Ezekiel 10:8

And their images created over the Ark of Covenant, one can assume that at least some do have wings.

 

[dybmh]

No where in this part do they have wings.

I'm a little confused here. You seem to be skipping the beginning of Ezekiel 1? The "standing ones" the chayyot hakodesh, they have 4 wings each.

20:4 exodus
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.

My opinion on this, is that the word for "idol" here is mistranslated. In hebrew it's a "pesel". The word for idols is "illim". Compare Exodus 20:4 with Leviticus 19:4. A better translation is "graven image". In other words, literally engraved. A solid piece of stock material is taken, and either an image is engraved into it or material is removed in order to reveal an image.

When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !

Yes, and, that's not a pesel. Not engraved. Exodus 37:7

And he made two kerubim of gold, hammered from one piece he made them, on the two ends of the covering;
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Hammered from one piece means, not engraved. So, it could be that angels have some sort of flappy, something-or-other. Although, in Ezekiel, they don't flap them and fly like birds. The fact that the cherubim are manufactured with them does not preclude them from being an accurate representation of an angelic being since the prohibition was on a specific action. Hammering them would be allowed.

 

[dybmh]

I wouldn't know if all angels have wings, however if we go by the references of:

Isaiah 6:2
Ezekiel 10:8

And their images created over the Ark of Covenant, one can assume that at least some do wings.

Add to the list, a lesser example: 2 Samuel 22:11

And he rode upon a kerub, and did fly; and he was seen upon the wings of [a] spirit ( literal translation ).​

 

[Apostle John]

What are angels for you ? Are they real or something we saw but cannot explain ? Have you seen an angel ?

Angels are both real and informative for me. I’ve even chatted to the Angel of the Lord, Jehovah as described in the Bible.

 

[Father Heathen]

Taking the human form and then grafting on random animal parts is lazy, lame design.

 

[Apostle John]

Taking the human form and then grafting on random animal parts is lazy, lame design.

Adam, Abraham, Jacob, Joshua, not to mention Peter and Paul made them sound like they were human in form. The major prophets saw them through visions (the mind’s eye) so could be any design, spiritually.

 

[zacariah88]

God has messengers and they are in special way they serve the Lord for a purpose is it a secret angels exist among us. We do not know they do take human form but we are messengers too preaching the word. They are higher than us but their purpose is different in dimensions, the thrones angels have multiple eyes but the bible says turkish wheels and do not have wings but some angels do have wings like the cherubins but jewish legends say they are the higher than seraphims.

 

[zacariah88]

For instances people believe in angels and some say we will be angels in heaven becuase of what Jesus said. The bible don't say clearly we will be angels in heaven. Other interesting things is that we copy angels and put them in our comics, movies, and sotries. Like Superman, the X-men, and Marvel have made their angels in the likeness of God's angel and have some fallacy and error.

But still humans are prone to emulate God's kingdom and creation and wish to assimilate into their culture various culture of hindu religion and aztec mythology have angels but have other names for them. What nagels do you know in other religions are copied from God's culture of Judeo-christian art and stories ?

 

[zacariah88]

Another important detail that is spoken is that the devil who we all hate some say isn't Lucifer but Lucifer and Satan are not the same for Satan means adversary and Lightbringer the other. And that Lucifer or Samael for the ancient way the devil named before his rebbelion he and Satan are not the same.

An error that before written they had seperate names ? And we are accusing another demon ? Satan is just a joke that many demons take the mantle of Satan such as Belzebub, Asmodeus, or Azazel just to pretend of a higher demon ? Or just a clever ruse Satan says in the internet that fools people believing he is not real and Satan is another demon and not him ? The greatest lie Satan says " he does not exist in the world, he is not real "

I do believe in the rebbelion and the bible does says that in revelations Samael did take one third of angels with him. Where is the biblical proof he did existed ?

 

[Apostle John]

For instances people believe in angels and some say we will be angels in heaven becuase of what Jesus said. The bible don't say clearly we will be angels in heaven. Other interesting things is that we copy angels and put them in our comics, movies, and sotries. Like Superman, the X-men, and Marvel have made their angels in the likeness of God's angel and have some fallacy and error.

But still humans are prone to emulate God's kingdom and creation and wish to assimilate into their culture various culture of hindu religion and aztec mythology have angels but have other names for them. What nagels do you know in other religions are copied from God's culture of Judeo-christian art and stories ?

I know this is you st. Fry from the other forum. Tell me have you inveigled yourself on the staff here as well?

 

[zacariah88]

Saint Fry :O I believe you made a mistake i'm no saint. Incorrect i'm from other forums but in any of them do I name myself that way.

 

[Apostle John]

I like anonymity and being able guess. Lol.

 

[zacariah88]

good that is why have freedom of choice and the consitiution saids so. Be oblige you can ask questions just remember I will fight for your right to say it.

Voltaire said it.

 

[dybmh]

I do believe in the rebbelion and the bible does says that in revelations Samael did take one third of angels with him. Where is the biblical proof he did existed ?

Jeremiah 21:7

וביד מבקשי נפשם והכם לפי־חרב לא־יחוס עליהם ולא יחמל ולא ירחם׃...

... into the hand of those who seek their life; and he shall strike them with the edge of the sword; he shall not spare them, nor have pity, nor have mercy.
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