Do Drugs Bring you Closer to God?

[outhouse]

it was a question, don't have to get all defensive, sounds like you need some cannabis yourself.:rainbow1:

not defensive at all.

Just curious if it mattered.

I do know allot of growers here in northern ca, we have a huge speed problem as well as frisco not to far off with allot of lsd and shrooms are everywhere up here.

Not one person I knew ever found themselves more spiritual. That culture doesnt get to religious either.

 

[crimsonlung]

not defensive at all.

Just curious if it mattered.

I do know allot of growers here in northern ca, we have a huge speed problem as well as frisco not to far off with allot of lsd and shrooms are everywhere up here.

Not one person I knew ever found themselves more spiritual. That culture doesn't get to religious either.

Oh believe me, I know, I live in San Diego, weed capitol of the world. But I have gotten into some pretty intense conversations about religion and brought up points that I would of never thought of sober.

However, you think your the smartest person in the world when you smoke, and you think everything you say is intelligible and makes sense when in actuality, a small percentage of it does. But that small percentage is pretty damn genius.

 

[crimsonlung]

People having religious experiences seemed to be spaced-out and high, so it's certainly possible.

Yea, totally, like those televangelists, they run up and down the stage and flair their limbs like their hairs on fire. Whatever those guys are taking, I'll take 3.

 

[gnomon]

Oh believe me, I know, I live in San Diego, weed capitol of the world. But I have gotten into some pretty intense conversations about religion and brought up points that I would of never thought of sober.

However, you think your the smartest person in the world when you smoke, and you think everything you say is intelligible and makes sense when in actuality, a small percentage of it does. But that small percentage is pretty damn genius.

Give me a room full of pot smokers and I'll give you a room full of people who think the tuning of a guitar is absolutely amazing.

 

[gnomon]

So Bob Marley was quoted to say:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When You smoke herb it reveals you to yourself. All the wickedness you do is revealed by the herb --- it's you conscience and gives you an honest picture of yourself ;[/FONT]

Many spiritual leaders have been known to use LSD to bring themselves closer to god.

Many Priests drink wine to further there communion with God.

Have a read at this article:

From the ancient Greeks and Romans, to the tribe of North America, the Egyptians, and the Maya, religious sacraments have included euphorics and hallucinogens. These are called "entheogens" ("God inside us," en εν- "in, within," theo θεος- "god, divine," -gen γενος "creates, generates").

Entheogens have been used in a ritualized context for thousands of years; their religious significance is well established in anthropological and modern evidences. Examples of traditional entheogens include: kykeon, ambrosia, iboga, soma, peyote, bufotenine, and ayahuasca. Other traditional entheogens include cannabis, ethanol, ergine, psilocybe mushrooms, and opium, to name only a few.



So what do you think? Is this a spiritual cognition or purely a physical chemical reaction?

I think it's all bunk.

I have an extensive experience with drugs ranging from alcohol and weed to freebasing speed and using hallucinogens.

I think Bill Cosby's take on drugs, specifically cocaine, is the most insightful. Namely that it intensifies one's personality so that if your an ******* your more of an *******.

However, I do maintain that lacking proper mental health at the time when I started illicit drugs essentially saved my life. But at quite a cost.

Yet everyone who claimed a greater spiritual awareness just made me laugh.

Give me someone who can express profound wisdom without having to alter their brain chemistry and I'll consider them over someone who uses hallucinogens anytime.

 

[idea]

Like the Baha'i Faith, LDS also don't drink/smoke/do drugs (except medicinally etc. etc.) ... I was not always LDS . To me, drugs are an imitation of the real thing..

I would personally categorize drugs into giving you 3 types of trips (jump in if you think there are others)

1. body trip – heart racing, tingly, etc. etc.
2. visual trip – see the smoke in the room turn into faces, etc. etc.
3. mind trip – your mind starts going 1,000 mph, and you think you have everything figured out

1. The body trip is a cheap imitation of the spiritual experience described as “fire” – you feel the presence of the spirit as a fire, a warmth, a power overtakes you. Having experienced both, the non-drug real deal is actually very different from a drug induced trip…

2. the drug visual trip is obviously the counterpart of visions – seeing angels etc. etc. however once again, there is the genuine article, and the counterfeit. (Although some of the visuals might be evil-spirit induced rather than complete counterfeits… drugs do tend to pull your walls down, an invitation for what is out there to come and invade)

3. mind trip – again there is the real deal, the spirit can open your mind and actually teach you things… then there is the counterfeit drug mind trip – the drug trip, while it feels like you are being smart, you actually are not. (I tested it once, tried to do my math homework when I thought I was “smart”… realized the mind trip was a fake, it did not help you think)

In short, drugs can produce experiences that are very similar to genuine spiritual experiences, or can sometimes be evil spirit experiences (and evil spirits do sometimes present themselves as angels of light, they feast on those whose guard is down) but they are fake – knock-offs. For the real Spirit of God experience, you have to have a clear peaceful head…

 

[Midnight Pete]

Wouldn't that be "cheating?"

 

[gnomon]

Wouldn't that be "cheating?"

I........agree with you.

Write it down.

 

[crimsonlung]

Give me a room full of pot smokers and I'll give you a room full of people who think the tuning of a guitar is absolutely amazing.

Off topic, you have no idea how funny this is, my roomate is tuning his guitar right now as I read this, I just let him borrow my guitar tuner

 

[gnomon]

Off topic, you have no idea how funny this is, my roomate is tuning his guitar right now as I read this, I just let him borrow my guitar tuner

Hahahaha!

 

[Gloone]

Wine does and Jesus promoted the consumption of it.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I........agree with you.

Write it down.

Write what down?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Give me a room full of pot smokers and I'll give you a room full of people who think the tuning of a guitar is absolutely amazing.

Dude a perfectly tuned guitar is amazing.

The way it rings, it's perfect.

 

[BruceDLimber]

But what about caffeine? I know Buddhist drink tea to cleanse, are they drinking decaff? What about Marijuana, its naturally grown from the ground..., clearly past the Bahai' scriptures.

Caffeine (including tea and coffee) are permitted as they don't interfere with the functioning of the mind.

And you're quite wrong about the Baha'i scriptures: they date as late as 1921!

Further, there are official Baha'i interpretations through 1957, and further statements issued since then!

And REGARDLESS of the particulars of marijuana, a clear Baha'i law is obedience to government; and since marijuana is an illegal drug, its use is prohibited anyway!

Just the facts.

Bruce

 

[crimsonlung]

Caffeine (including tea and coffee) are permitted as they don't interfere with the functioning of the mind.

And you're quite wrong about the Baha'i scriptures: they date as late as 1921!


And REGARDLESS of the particulars of marijuana, a clear Baha'i law is obedience to government; and since marijuana is an illegal drug, its use is prohibited regardless!

Just the facts.

Bruce

Well, for starters, you couldn't be more wrong about caffeine:

How caffeine affects your body, mind and emotions

Also, Marijuana was considered illegal In 1937, Congress passed the "1937 Marijuana Tax Act" and made marijuana illegal.

I'll take your word on this:

there are official Baha'i interpretations through 1957

but which of those pertains to drug use? Have any quotes?

And Marijuana use in some states (including mine of California) is legal with a medical marijuana card. So what about that?

On top of that, we are very close to legalizing it.

And not only that, but there are some over the counter drugs you can buy which provide the same high as LSD or Meth, what about those? They are legal.

 

[no-body]

And Marijuana use in some states (including mine of California) is legal with a medical marijuana card. So what about that?

I've read a lot of religions will let "drug use" slide if it is for an actual medical condition and prescribed by a doctor.

 

[Renji]

Perhaps the 'high' feeling could make someone feel close to a higher being

 

[Renji]

So a simple D5LR (though not really a med) administered through IV or taking a paracetamol can make someone closer to God?

 

[Midnight Pete]

Perhaps the 'high' feeling could make someone feel close to a higher being

Perhaps, but it would be an artificial high. It would be false. The feeling of being indwelled by the Holy Spirit is what you would be replicating with drugs and/or alcohol. I would know. I take meds for bipolar disorder and I've long since become familiar with mania (unnatural and inappropriate giddiness) and how it differs from genuinely perceiving the Holy Spirit inside of me.

 

[Midnight Pete]

So a simple D5LR (though not really a med) administered through IV or taking a paracetamol can make someone closer to God?

Drugs can induce all kinds of mental and emotional states, including eurphoria and religious epiphany. But are these drug-induced mystical experiences any more or less legitimate than mystical experiences without the use of drugs? Are drugs the cause of these experiences or the gateway to them?