Do liberals really believe the “golden rule”

[suncowiam]

Healthcare is one of the best examples.

Daniel Doherty - Reminder: Every Senate Democrat Voted in Favor of Exempting Themselves From Obamacare

You do know that the left you painted are only politicians. Do you seriously believe that was an argument to correctly suggest on all the left?

So far, I would say that was a very disingenuous argument because I'm sure most of the left would agree that these politicians should abide by the same mandate. I certainly do.

Anything else?

 

[suncowiam]

I don't think so. Hypocrisy is telling others to do something that you don't do yourself. But in the situation you describe they are copying the behavior they claim hate. So they are setting the intolerant free by showing that intolerance is what they prefer.

Why don't you give a specific example?

 

[Twilight Hue]

You do know that the left you painted are only politicians. Do you seriously believe that was an argument to correctly suggest on all the left?

So far, I would say that was a very disingenuous argument because I'm sure most of the left would agree that these politicians should abide by the same mandate. I certainly do.

Anything else?

I'd say you're poorly represented.

 

[SinSaber]

Communism, workers organizing, Unions, and the ideal of having a more egalitarian society are all based on the golden rule. Liberals are intolerant to excessively selfish behavior at the expense of everyone else. Liberals are intolerant of groups who as part of their charter stand for taking away the rights and equality of others. Why is that the right is so obsessed with the idea that the left is being hypocritical with intolerance. The left will always fight the social domination by authoritarian groups. Fighting for equality and a more egalitarian society is much closer to the golden rule than anything coming from the authoritarians.

Even when it means you’ll become authoritarian. You’re lumping all conservatives as hateful is what drives people like Trump, who will in turn drive a communist to power

 

[suncowiam]

I'd say you're poorly represented.

So you believe that the left is OK that these politicians, what ever their political affiliation, do need to abide by the mandate?

Let's say that you right. What does it even suggest that only politicians get to bypass this mandate while all the other left which is probably a hundreds of thousands to one ratio of citizens to politicians that still do have to abide by the mandate?

This argument is weak to say the least. Is this your only basis for your original comment? Are there other examples?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Liberals always say they treat others like they would want to be treated more than conservatives do. Then comes their famous quote “I don’t tolerate intolerenace”(course most of it isn’t intolerance. It’s liberals putting their moralities as true morality and anything even slightly below is automatic bigotry, but I digress). Is this hypocrisy?

What does political leans have to do with a religious principle?

 

[icehorse]

Liberals always say they treat others like they would want to be treated more than conservatives do. Then comes their famous quote “I don’t tolerate intolerenace”(course most of it isn’t intolerance. It’s liberals putting their moralities as true morality and anything even slightly below is automatic bigotry, but I digress). Is this hypocrisy?

I'm not sure which slice of liberals use that famous quote. I consider myself to be a centrist leaning liberal. I believe the universal declaration on human rights codifies a fine set of morals and I'm quite intolerant of behavior that runs counter to it. I don't see it as some ultimate "true morality", but it strikes me as one of the best sets of morals I've come across. I remain open to improvements. That said, I see a whole lot of behavior that doesn't set the bar established by the UDHR.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Treat others the way they would want to be treated isn't the golden rule, it's the platinum rule. The golden rule is treating other's the way you want to be treated and is decidedly less empathetic because you're only framing the question according to your desires. Looking inward instead of outward. Which means, from a liberal hot button issue, less likely to look at things from the perspective of an lgbt or another religion or whomever is different. Hence being unable to see how something might be intolerant. There are, of course, exceptional missing the point on both sides but that's true of every stance.

As for tolerance, tolerating intolerance is an unobtainable goal and people who ask for it usualy really mean 'set yourself up to fail so the status quo can continue.' Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

Yup. It's why I don't like the Golden Rule, the self-righteous (literally), self-promotion of morality.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Liberals always say they treat others like they would want to be treated more than conservatives do. Then comes their famous quote “I don’t tolerate intolerenace”(course most of it isn’t intolerance. It’s liberals putting their moralities as true morality and anything even slightly below is automatic bigotry, but I digress). Is this hypocrisy?

To answer the question of the thread: yes. Reciprocity is one of the basic tenets of my religious belief. It's also one of the basic tenets of human society. To answer the second part: no, not tolerating intolerance is not hypocrisy. You can fit into the Golden Rule by looking at it this way: 'I challenge prejudice and bigotry because were I in a position where I'm subject to this I would hope someone would stand up for me'.

In fact, tolerating intolerance is itself a recognised paradox.

 

[Valjean]

Conservatives are atavists, stuck in the Pleistocene. They're zero sum competitors, with a dog-eat-dog, sink-or-swim mentality. They're tribal, with little compassion for outsiders.
The liberal, cosmopolitan, egalitarian, compassionate concern for the greater good is not in the conservative vocabulary.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Yeah, democrates Politicians do not want Obamacare, but have better insurance.

So what exactly is wrong with Obamacare that Democrates wants to push on everyone else, But themselves will not take.
But yet Liberal democrates Supporters can not see this.

 

[Faithofchristian]

No Liberal democrates do believe in the golden rule,
But it goes like this, treat us as we want to be treated like, but not the way you want to be treated.
Don't walk on us, But we will walk on you.
Don't vote the way you want to, But vote the way we tell you.
That's the golden rule of Liberal Democrates.

 

[LuisDantas]

Liberals always say they treat others like they would want to be treated more than conservatives do. Then comes their famous quote “I don’t tolerate intolerenace”(course most of it isn’t intolerance. It’s liberals putting their moralities as true morality and anything even slightly below is automatic bigotry, but I digress). Is this hypocrisy?

You would have to point out specific examples, but on the general, no, it is not.

 

[Vee]

Liberals always say they treat others like they would want to be treated more than conservatives do. Then comes their famous quote “I don’t tolerate intolerenace”(course most of it isn’t intolerance. It’s liberals putting their moralities as true morality and anything even slightly below is automatic bigotry, but I digress). Is this hypocrisy?

If you really want to know if someone follows the golden rule, regardless of their political affiliations, see how they behave, how they really tread others. Never mind what they say, look at what they do.

 

[Kenny]

Are we (liberals) imperfect - h*** yes. But we have the right ideal and try to live it.

Many conservatives I know tend to be "I got/want mine, Jack. Screw you".

I don't quite agree. I think the majority of conservatives AND liberals live well and some in BOTH camps have the "I got/want mine, Jack. Screw you" attitude. We just tend to magnify the offenders at the expense of those who do right.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Conservatives are atavists, stuck in the Pleistocene. They're zero sum competitors, with a dog-eat-dog, sink-or-swim mentality. They're tribal, with little compassion for outsiders.

This is the path one takes if he is fearful, resentful, indifferent, and/or selfish. To him, the world is a dangerous place. He can't have enough guns or walls. He can't hoard enough.

The liberal, cosmopolitan, egalitarian, compassionate concern for the greater good is not in the conservative vocabulary.

This is the reaction of a person who feels safe, that he has enough, and connected to those around himself. It's conducive to tolerance, kindness, and sharing.

Which of these two groups will more likely embody the Golden Rule? One only need look at American conservative politics:

"You were hungry and thirsty, so I eliminated funding for Meals on Wheels and food banks. You were a stranger, so I vilified you and demanded that you be deported. You were naked, so I called you an evil liberal who hates conservative family values. You were sick, so I repealed your only hope for health care. You were in prison, so I tortured you." - Matthew 25:42-43

"Compassion is not weakness and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism"- Hubert Humphrey
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[Revoltingest]

What does political leans have to do with a religious principle?

The golden rule is an ideal which exists independently from religion.
Moreover, it's often at odds with religions.

 

[metis]

I don't quite agree. I think the majority of conservatives AND liberals live well and some in BOTH camps have the "I got/want mine, Jack. Screw you" attitude.

But how that gets played out is different, such as we're now seeing with this new budget proposal and how the two parties are reacting differently to it. Even though there is some overlap between the two, nevertheless that is a rather distinct difference between them, especially when it comes to the safety-net, as well as how they deal with minorities and some other thingys as well.

Maybe pray on this over the weekend. And remember, it's "pray for people" not "prey on people".

 

[SinSaber]

Conservatives are atavists, stuck in the Pleistocene. They're zero sum competitors, with a dog-eat-dog, sink-or-swim mentality. They're tribal, with little compassion for outsiders.
The liberal, cosmopolitan, egalitarian, compassionate concern for the greater good is not in the conservative vocabulary.

You’re fooling yourself if you think liberals are not tribal. All American politics, thanks to both party leaders, is tribal

 

[Brickjectivity]

Liberals always say they treat others like they would want to be treated more than conservatives do. Then comes their famous quote “I don’t tolerate intolerenace”(course most of it isn’t intolerance. It’s liberals putting their moralities as true morality and anything even slightly below is automatic bigotry, but I digress). Is this hypocrisy?

You seem to be conflating politics with religion, because you have started a debate about politics in the religious debates section. Al Franken is a Democrat. Roy Moore is a Republican. One is a "Liberal" and one is a "Conservative"