Do people have to stop trusting other scriptures, to trust the Quran?

[England my lionheart]

Not that I know of, with the methods currently available. Not to say that it will never be possible.

I want to clarify that I’m not promoting people trusting that the stories in their lore and scriptures actually happened. I think that the lore and scriptures can serve their purposes much better, and with much less harm done, if they are viewed as pure fiction. Even if they were pure fiction, it wouldn’t make any difference for what I’m saying. Using my example, suppose that the Bible stories about G_d calling Jesus His Son, and the ones about the same G_d denouncing as perverted and monstrous the idea of Him having a Son, are all pure fiction. A person doesn’t have to give up believing that those Bible stories really happened, to believe that it’s really G_d saying that in the Quran.

People can believe what they like,what i find wrong is that people teach it as fact to children who for the most part have no choice in the matter.

 

[Jim]

@Unveiled Artist I haven’t found any way to explain my new insight, that seems clear enough to me, but I don’t want to spend any more time trying. I’ll just give you the best explanation that I could think of for now. The contradiction I see is in you saying that Buddhism is one religion in spite of the divergence of views it embraces, but it’s wrong to see Buddhist and Abrahamic religions as one religion because of the divergences in their views. Considering how you customize your definition of “one religion” in a way that allows you to ignore or deny that contradiction, brought me to a new insight about national, race and religious prejudices. I’ve always thought of them as being separate and independent, but now I see some possible connections between them.

 

[paarsurrey]

My answer is no. I think that when we think we see contradictions between the Quran and other scriptures, we can resolve them the same way we resolve them within our own scriptures: by freely and critically re-examining our understanding of what they’re saying.

It is a positive approach.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

All are worth consideration. Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Some make the mistake of using canonization to rule out much wisdom. When the above was written, it had not occurred.

"When the above was written, it had not occurred."

I don't get it exactly. Please elaborate.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Certainly, one can resolve certain contradictions with themselves, if they look at these books differently. However, that's a different matter than if the Quran and other books really agree. I don't find that they do.

You would describe yourself as a Baha'i yes? I'll continue from this question- if you feel kindly inclined to answer.

"However, that's a different matter than if the Quran and other books really agree."

There are a lot of common teachings in the religions. It is one aspect that we Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslims believe that all revealed religions were revealed by One-God on the founders of such religions. It is general terms essential to believe in the truth of all revealed religions* and their such teachings and their founders. It is for this that we believe in Buddha, Krishna, Moses,Zoroaster, Jesus, Socrates.*

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*Quran
[2:5]
And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.
[2:6]
It is they who follow the guidance of their Lord and it is they who shall prosper.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

 

[GoodbyeDave]

There are a lot of common teachings in the religions. It is one aspect that we Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslims believe that all revealed religions were revealed by One-God on the founders of such religions. It is general terms essential to believe in the truth of all revealed religions and their such teachings and their founders. It is for this that we believe in Buddha, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus, Socrates.

But what if they say incompatible things? And neither Buddha nor Socrates claimed to have received a revelation.

One test of compatability is surely whether you can worship together. I could not worship in a mosque because I cannot declare that Muhammad was a prophet, nor could I worship in a church since I cannot declare that Jesus was divine. For that matter, surely you cannot recite the Christian creed? On the other hand, I could worship in a Hindu temple or a Shinto shrine, which you could not.

 

[Ellen Brown]

But what if they say incompatible things? And neither Buddha nor Socrates claimed to have received a revelation.

One test of compatability is surely whether you can worship together. I could not worship in a mosque because I cannot declare that Muhammad was a prophet, nor could I worship in a church since I cannot declare that Jesus was divine. For that matter, surely you cannot recite the Christian creed? On the other hand, I could worship in a Hindu temple or a Shinto shrine, which you could not.

Humans have this idea that if we do not agree, then kill them.

 

[Vinayaka]

Humans have this idea that if we do not agree, then kill them.

Not all humans, thank goodness.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Not all humans, thank goodness.

Exactly. The only religions that have a consistent record of persecution, rather than occasional outbreaks of anger, are the three "Abrahamic" ones.

 

[LuisDantas]

My answer is no. I think that when we think we see contradictions between the Quran and other scriptures, we can resolve them the same way we resolve them within our own scriptures: by freely and critically re-examining our understanding of what they’re saying.

We can and, if we see the Qur'an as genuine scripture, we should.

But in so doing, there is a very real risk of no longer having much of an use for those scriptures.

I don't think that is a problem. If anything, that should be encouraged.

 

[paarsurrey]

But what if they say incompatible things? And neither Buddha nor Socrates claimed to have received a revelation.

One test of compatability is surely whether you can worship together. I could not worship in a mosque because I cannot declare that Muhammad was a prophet, nor could I worship in a church since I cannot declare that Jesus was divine. For that matter, surely you cannot recite the Christian creed? On the other hand, I could worship in a Hindu temple or a Shinto shrine, which you could not.

"One test of compatability is surely whether you can worship together. I could not worship in a mosque because I cannot declare that Muhammad was a prophet,"

Principally one can, if there are no idols with one. Muhammad himself allowed a delegation of Christians to pray in his mosque in Medina.

I have several time visited temples of Buddhism people, Hinduism people, Sikhism people and Christianity people and attended their services though I did not join their worship and remained seated, yet nobody objected rather they were happy.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Humans have this idea that if we do not agree, then kill them.

Some people are such extremists, most are tolerant , respectful and hospitable.

Regards

 

[Buddha Dharma]

"However, that's a different matter than if the Quran and other books really agree."

There are a lot of common teachings in the religions. It is one aspect that we Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslims believe that all revealed religions were revealed by One-God on the founders of such religions. It is general terms essential to believe in the truth of all revealed religions* and their such teachings and their founders. It is for this that we believe in Buddha, Krishna, Moses,Zoroaster, Jesus, Socrates.*

Regards
___________
*Quran
[2:5]
And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.
[2:6]
It is they who follow the guidance of their Lord and it is they who shall prosper.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

Yes, I understand and appreciate the concept of truth in other worldviews. That doesn't mean they 100% agree though.

From one Dharmic perspective, it may not be useful for them to exactly agree- because all teaching addresses the needs of where people are.

Some people need virtue practice at the forefront, while others need the devotional approach. I daresay even atheism factors into all of this somewhere.

 

[Jim]

I daresay even atheism factors into all of this somewhere.

I’ve been thinking the same thing. I even wrote a post about it, but I’ve been hesitating to post it. Maybe now I will.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes, I understand and appreciate the concept of truth in other worldviews. That doesn't mean they 100% agree though.

From one Dharmic perspective, it may not be useful for them to exactly agree- because all teaching addresses the needs of where people are.

Some people need virtue practice at the forefront, while others need the devotional approach. I daresay even atheism factors into all of this somewhere.

"Yes, I understand and appreciate the concept of truth in other worldviews. That doesn't mean they 100% agree though."Unquote

Sure enough. They have the jewel/(light*) of Revelation but buried in the debris of time and due to human interference.
It forms a common ground for affinity.

Regards
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*[5:45]
Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedient to Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learned in the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, and becausethey were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 5: Al-Ma'idah

 

[paarsurrey]

Buddha Dharma said: ↑
I daresay even atheism factors into all of this somewhere.

I’ve been thinking the same thing. I even wrote a post about it, but I’ve been hesitating to post it. Maybe now I will.

Atheism don't claim to have Revelation, they have no part in it. The common ground with them is reason but it is not guided by Revelation. In secular matter, they share a common ground with the Revealed Religions, that role should not be denied to them. Of course they are not to be held apart.

Regards

 

[Marcion]

Exactly. The only religions that have a consistent record of persecution, rather than occasional outbreaks of anger, are the three "Abrahamic" ones.

I wonder though, a lot of sectarian often horrific violence against non-scheduled castes and other religious minorities is found in India. Not quite as bad as the present situation in parts of the Middle East but still quite endemic.