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Do people still believe everyone decended from Adam and Eve?

Colt

Colt

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Don't be disingenuous. That is not
amusing either.

Nor is the gratuitous slap at the intellectual honesty of all atheists.

"All discoverable facts " is impossible , and
SILLY. A theory only needs one contrary fact to
discredit it. One. Don't you know that?


If you really don't know what I mean saying nothing in Genesis is true, we may be so, ah, unevenly yoked as to make further talk
pointless.
Want to try again for something demonstrably true in the narrative, or shall we stop here.
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Just stop here, your mind is made up.
 
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Free fotm means it says whatever you want.

You want black slavery to be ok? Easy peeve.

You want pi equals 3,0? Even easier.

40,000 Christian sects and all with different
One-Trumeaning.
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The Bible talked about indentured servanthood type slavery, not race slavery.
 
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
cOLTER said:
Christians have been taught that God wrote the Bible so it’s difficult to face its errors.
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What errors do you think are in the Bible? Adam and Eve makes sense, because thousands of years ago people married first cousins without genetic abnormalities. God didn't give a law against it back then.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
The Bible talked about indentured servanthood type slavery, not race slavery.
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Incorrect. It talked about owning people forever. It said that you could pass them on. Indentured servanthood was reserved for their fellow Hebrews just as indentured servitude in early America was limited to whites. There really is no significant difference between biblical slavery and early American slavery.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
What errors do you think are in the Bible? Adam and Eve makes sense, because thousands of years ago people married first cousins without genetic abnormalities. God didn't give a law against it back then.
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I don't think that you understand the concept of "makes sense".

By the way, do you believe that there is a risk of waking up in a bathtub full of ice missing a kidney? If not the you should not believe the myths of Genesis. You as much as admitted it.
 
halbhh

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Subduction Zone said:
Nor does it mean believing the myths of Genesis, or even Exodus.

Why believe in a lying God if one is a Christian?
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To be logically consistent though, we all have to admit that:

Either:

A) God exists and therefore some 'miraculous' things might be then be possible, would seem likely actually, from His unknown abilities, being 'God'.

or

B) God doesn't exist, and therefore of course could not then cause to happen any 'miracles' and such.

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But it would be only irrational (or perhaps better wording: unscientific) to assert: Miracles (the amazing and not yet unexplainable by physics) cannot happen, and therefore God does not exist. Why is that unscientific/irrational? Because it's an assertion of oneself being omniscient, as personally knowing all events perfectly (omniscience), so as to rule out all miracles, etc.

Of course, we are not omniscient, and therefore cannot assert that miracles can't happen and therefore God cannot exist, etc.

To me, then, the whole thing is just about testing. Or that was the approach I settled on. That was long ago, and I learned some new things.
 
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Incorrect. It talked about owning people forever. It said that you could pass them on. Indentured servanthood was reserved for their fellow Hebrews just as indentured servitude in early America was limited to whites. There really is no significant difference between biblical slavery and early American slavery.
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Maybe slavery wasn't a sin then because their intentions were different.
 
S

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
I don't think that you understand the concept of "makes sense".

By the way, do you believe that there is a risk of waking up in a bathtub full of ice missing a kidney? If not the you should not believe the myths of Genesis. You as much as admitted it.
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Not all Christians believe Genesis is literal.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
halbhh said:
To be logically consistent though, we all have to admit that:

Either:

A) God exists and therefore some 'miraculous' things might be then be possible, would seem likely actually, from His unknown abilities, being 'God'.

or

B) God doesn't exist, and therefore of course could not then cause to happen any 'miracles' and such.

----
But it would be only irrational (or perhaps better wording: unscientific) to assert: Miracles (the amazing and not yet unexplainable by physics) cannot happen, and therefore God does not exist. Why is that unscientific/irrational? Because it's an assertion of oneself being omniscient, as personally knowing all events perfectly (omniscience), so as to rule out all miracles, etc.

Of course, we are not omniscient, and therefore cannot assert that miracles can't happen and therefore God cannot exist, etc.

To me, then, the whole thing is just about testing. Or that was the approach I settled on. That was long ago, and I learned some new things.
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Reference is to claimed miracles that did not
actually happen.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
halbhh said:
To be logically consistent though, we all have to admit that:

Either:

A) God exists and therefore some 'miraculous' things might be then be possible, would seem likely actually, from His unknown abilities, being 'God'.

or

B) God doesn't exist, and therefore of course could not then cause to happen any 'miracles' and such.

----
But it would be only irrational (or perhaps better wording: unscientific) to assert: Miracles (the amazing and not yet unexplainable by physics) cannot happen, and therefore God does not exist. Why is that unscientific/irrational? Because it's an assertion of oneself being omniscient, as personally knowing all events perfectly (omniscience), so as to rule out all miracles, etc.

Of course, we are not omniscient, and therefore cannot assert that miracles can't happen and therefore God cannot exist, etc.

To me, then, the whole thing is just about testing. Or that was the approach I settled on. That was long ago, and I learned some new things.
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The problem is not one of whether god exists or not. The problem is whether god is a liar or not. If god is not a liar then Genesis cannot be read literally. Arguing for or against god is not part of my argument. The question is: Is God honest?
 
halbhh

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
Audie said:
Reference is to claimed miracles that did not
actually happen.
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Think on it carefully, and I think you could see at some point you are saying you know for sure about all events through all of time for all humans.

I have heard non-believers assert forms of claiming their own total knowledge of all events ( in effect, it's really a claim to what is a form of 'omniscience') so often now, that it's getting to where I can predict it will be posted before someone posts it.

This is an old path so many have gone down, that we really can see it well now, just from experience.
 
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