Do they think Adam and Eve were originally meant to be ageless? Just because people persist in the rejection of God's will, doesn't mean that we aren't born with sin. There being no tree of life and humans not being immortal is what the wages of sin is death has to do with. Why do you think that God intended to create the New Jerusalem later on and renew the earth, for reasons independent of Adam and Eve sinning?
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Do people still believe everyone decended from Adam and Eve?
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Do they think Adam and Eve were originally meant to be ageless? Just because people persist in the rejection of God's will, doesn't mean that we aren't born with sin. There being no tree of life and humans not being immortal is what the wages of sin is death has to do with. Why do you think that God intended to create the New Jerusalem later on and renew the earth, for reasons independent of Adam and Eve sinning?
Psalm 51: 5 says, "Against You, You only, have I sinned and done what is evil in Your sight, so that You may be proved right when You speak and blameless when You judge. 5 Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me. 6 Surely You desire truth in the inmost being; You teach me wisdom in the inmost place."
Verse 5 doesn't sound like a reference to Bathsheba.
Audie
Veteran Member
Terrif that you can look up a word.
Doing the kind of thinking it is about
is another thing entirely.
IF I gave you any parapraph to read,
in Chinese, and you read it easily, it would
show you are proficient on chinese. Simple.
I told you you why i wont take my time
to explain about death. If you are going to
make that into that i am faking and cannot, we are done.
"Purpose" and "meaning" is the
playground of theists and philosophers.
Science can explain why we die.
You are changing the subject.
Fact of the matter is everything is
apart from your mythical "god".
All sects lie. Of course. Kinda my
point. Anything describing a non existent god is a lie.
Where do you stand with your claims?
Of course you cannot "prove" the bible.
And of course it does match data
from other sources.
And of course i dont believe it.
As to your pointless last question,
plz dont randomly change subject or
introduce new one. Cease and desist, svp.
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Colt
Well-Known Member
Sin is conscious and deliberate disloyalty to deity.
The “New Jerusalem” simply means the new place in heaven that we resurrect on.
The original gospel of the kingdom will subdue the earth.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Well that all depends upon the standards one uses for "fish". More and more biologists today are classifying by cladistics. Some old terms will not fare well. Of courses it drives our creationist friends nuts that humans are more closely related to what you will call fish than sharks are related to what you call fish.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You should not jump to extremes, they need not all lie. They could all be merely wrong. In fact very very few of them lie. Lying is a purposeful attempt to deceive. Sects are often started by just one or a few charismatic and deluded people. That does not make them any more false than the seed religion.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is good news. Since most atheists lack a belief in a deity they cannot be deliberately disloyal. You may be the first theist that I have met that argues that atheists are sinless.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
When one does not understand the concept of evidence one makes up all sorts of bad arguments based on that lack of understanding. This is a science topic that we are discussing. If you want to make a valid claim you need to apply scientific evidence, not made up nonsense.
"Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretable in accordance with scientific method. "
Scientific evidence - Wikipedia.
If you don't like Wikipedia I can find many other sites that will use the same definition. This standard applies to all the sciences, not just evolution.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Adam and Eve were a myth.
The Bible is unique because it has the historical evidence of the people who saw Jesus after he resurrected, the love of God for his creation, the holiness of God, the sinful nature of people, and it fits together like a puzzle piece. A just judge has to punish sin and the God who blessed us with many things is a God who would make a way for us to be forgiven.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No real "historical evidence" there. I would suggest that you look up the standards for that. What you have are only oral tradition that grew over a period of 40 years or more. And no, it does not fit together like a puzzle. Not even close. There are too many self contradictions in the Bible. One has to force the "pieces" to fit together.
Audie
Veteran Member
Its not what i call its what is. AIAR.
That doesn't mean that it's impossible for people to have sin in their genes. The Virgin Birth: Jesus' Chromosomes and DNA?
Adam and Eve were not created on a physical heaven. Do you think the gospel of the kingdom subduing the earth is why there won't be the preaching of the gospel in the Millennium as much as earlier?
Audie
Veteran Member
Name something thst is not unique.
Try. Seriously, name something.
The bible is betimes internally consistent,
and likewise will sometimes match actual
data from sources outside the bible.
Thr problem for people not brainwashed into the
cult from birth is, so much of thd bible is
A) impossible to confirm
B) at odds with data (facts) that can be confirmed.
ie it is full of nonsense.
For pure truth book inspired "of" god, the
amount of bs is odd, no?
ETS Your post has nothing to with the mine, thst you responded to.
Audie
Veteran Member
What a terrif god! He makes rules, makes it imposdible for
us not to break them, then offers to save us from himself.
How did anyone ever come up with such wonky ideas?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I have on several occasions given the metaphor of swords and words
we draw lines in the sand
as if with sword point
each time we make a declaration of what we believe
Love God
Member
I see.
Yes. Lines in the sand...
From your statement, there must be ways to ‘search’ others by typing in phrases or ideas?
That may be helpful to know!
So can that be done?
The Bible agrees with history. It talks about Alexander the Great invading Tyre. What outside sources dose the Bible not match? You said the Bible is impossible to confirm. Everything takes faith. The Bible isn't at odd with facts that can be confirmed. The Bible mentions historical figures like Caesar. Morality tales aren't nonsense-they are there to teach a lesson.
Why is Adam mentioned in the genealogy of Jesus? Even people who believe in the pre Adamic race believe that Adam was an ancestor of Jesus.
Audie
Veteran Member
Some of it matches known history, some does not.
i said SOME of it is impossible to confirm.
Egypt is real. Exodus is not.
And you say if its plainly phony its a
morality tale?
Like the whole part that starts with "in the beginning"?
Why bother with that turgid old book?
We teach morality in China as part of
our ordinary lives.
Terrif god- morality btw. "Do what i want or i will drown you."
What a guy, what an example!