Do people still believe everyone decended from Adam and Eve?

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A theory doesn't mean it's correct. It means giving it the benefit of the doubt while not accepting it.

A theory means that it is exceptionally well supported by the evidence and there is none to the contrary.

 

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This is the last of the Ten Commandments from the Bible in the only part of the Bible itself that refers to them as the Ten Commandments:

"Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

 

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I grew up being taught dinosaurs were not real haha. Yes, it was all about the tree of life, a perfect life for a perfect life - as in Adam all die, no death before the garden. An interesting mythology. In musical themes, and "The Hero's Journey" Hero's journey - Wikipedia
the start and the end are the same. The song isn't over until it circles back around to the starting notes... a life isn't over, adventures until the hero comes back home where they were born. Some strange thing - that loyalty and devotion to home, seems to go against evolution and progression - wanting something better than where you start. If you can imagine a perfect start, you can imagine a perfect ending I suppose, is that why it is such a compelling tale?

There is evidence from paintings of people and dinosaurs living at the same time. Dinosaurs and the Bible

Adam and Eve weren't created in heaven because humans are not spiritual beings. Jesus in Matthew 5:5 said that the meek shall inherit the earth. http://images.acswebnetworks.com/1/3057/HeavenBibleStudyPart8_Whatwilltheresurrectedearthbelike.pdf

Jesus is not copied from characters like Gandalf. They are based off of the details of Jesus in the Bible-dying and resurrecting. If anything, people copied Jesus. Are the ideas of Jesus and Christianity borrowed from Mithra and Zoroastrianism? | GotQuestions.org

This looks to be another case of skeptics citing a pre-Christian religion, assuming that the post-Christian form of the religion (which we know about) has remained faithful to the pre-Christian form of the religion (which we know nothing about) and speculating that the similarities between the religion and Christianity are due to Christianity borrowing from the religion in question. It’s a philosophical argument without solid evidence to back it up. Have we any good reason not to suppose that it was Zoroastrianism which borrowed from Christianity and not vice versa? We know that Zoroastrianism borrowed freely from the polytheistic faiths of the region in which it became popular. Mithra, for example, was a Persian god who found a prominent role in Zoroastrianism. Mithra’s Hindu counterpart is the god Mitra.

 

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A theory means that it is exceptionally well supported by the evidence and there is none to the contrary.

That's like saying schools of thought have no evidence to the contrary. An opinion is like a personal conviction not to support a company. It's a feeling or a whatever. The details of what that feeling or whatever could be are broad. That's why a theory is not necessarily true.

 

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There is evidence from paintings of people and dinosaurs living at the same time. Dinosaurs and the Bible

Adam and Eve weren't created in heaven because humans are not spiritual beings. Jesus in Matthew 5:5 said that the meek shall inherit the earth. http://images.acswebnetworks.com/1/3057/HeavenBibleStudyPart8_Whatwilltheresurrectedearthbelike.pdf

Jesus is not copied from characters like Gandalf. They are based off of the details of Jesus in the Bible-dying and resurrecting. If anything, people copied Jesus. Are the ideas of Jesus and Christianity borrowed from Mithra and Zoroastrianism? | GotQuestions.org

No, that is all nonsense. None of it is evidence. Let's go over the concept of evidence.

 

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That's like saying schools of thought have no evidence to the contrary. An opinion is like a personal conviction not to support a company. It's a feeling or a whatever. The details of what that feeling or whatever could be are broad. That's why a theory is not necessarily true.

No, it is a fact. Creationists tend to be afraid to learn what is and what is not evidence.

 

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Jesus is not copied from characters like Gandalf. | GotQuestions.org

If it's a contest on the oldest "original" mythology, Hinduism wins with the ''Rig Veda''. For me, truth is not found with the oldest manuscripts, but the best ideas. New textbook vs. old ones, I trust information in the newest editions of science, and all books.

That's ok, if you want to rationalize your beliefs, I know, it does brings comfort. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

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If it's a contest on the oldest "original" mythology, Hinduism wins with the ''Rig Veda''. For me, truth is not found with the oldest manuscripts, but the best ideas. New textbook vs. old ones, I trust information in the newest editions of science, and all books.

That's ok, if you want to rationalize your beliefs, I know, it does brings comfort. Enjoy it while it lasts.

The Bible mentions loving one another and not trusting God and making God a part of one's life. Those sound like good ideas.

 

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There is evidence from paintings of people and dinosaurs living at the same time. Dinosaurs and the Bible

Adam and Eve weren't created in heaven because humans are not spiritual beings. Jesus in Matthew 5:5 said that the meek shall inherit the earth. http://images.acswebnetworks.com/1/3057/HeavenBibleStudyPart8_Whatwilltheresurrectedearthbelike.pdf

Jesus is not copied from characters like Gandalf. They are based off of the details of Jesus in the Bible-dying and resurrecting. If anything, people copied Jesus. Are the ideas of Jesus and Christianity borrowed from Mithra and Zoroastrianism? | GotQuestions.org

It is of course an error to go to a Christian apologetics site to try to refute that many of the Jesus stories appear to be borrowed. Please note that he referred to some of the writings in the OT that were not prophecies and tried to claim that they were. Try to find serious sites to support your claims.

 

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The Bible mentions loving one another and not trusting God and making God a part of one's life. Those sound like good ideas.

Yes. Those are good ideas. They are not unique to the Bible.

 

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The Bible mentions loving one another and not trusting God and making God a part of one's life. Those sound like good ideas.

Everyone mentions loving one another. The best sort of love, humility, and honesty comes from not holding any single book or belief above others. I think all the religious groups exist to intentionally bring everyone to find personal, individual testimonies and beliefs about God. It is only after you mistrust and leave your religious group, when the group no longer dictates your beliefs, that you can go directly to the source with no middle man. No leaning on arms of flesh, no borrowed light. In the end, there is no book, no group, no denomination - it is just God. Blessings to you on your journey!

 

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Yes. Those are good ideas. They are not unique to the Bible.

The Bible talks about the sinfulness of people and the love of God for his creation. That isn't in any other faith. Krishna or Zeus never died for the sins of their creation. They were not redeemers and advocates. Jesus didn't just die so that we could be forgiven but also that we could come before God, a closeness to God that Job in the Old Testament didn't have.

 

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It is of course an error to go to a Christian apologetics site to try to refute that many of the Jesus stories appear to be borrowed. Please note that he referred to some of the writings in the OT that were not prophecies and tried to claim that they were. Try to find serious sites to support your claims.

It's no more biased than any other source is. All people have faith in their own beliefs and mention proof to support them.
Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Osiris Mythology? | Cold Case Christianity

Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Osiris Mythology?
J. Warner May 13, 2014
Over the past two weeks, I’ve examined the similarities between Jesus, Mithras and Horus. Early mythological characters are sometimes offered by skeptics in an attempt to argue Jesus is nothing more than a re-creation and retelling of the ancient “rising and dying” mythologies embraced by a number of primitive cultures. Movies like Zeitgeist: The Movie and The God Who Wasn’t There, have capitalized on this strategy, highlighting every possible similarity, while ignoring the critical differences. Osiris is mentioned in both of these movies as yet another iteration of the rising and dying Savior preceding the appearance of Jesus. Skeptics claim Osiris and Jesus were identical in a number of important ways. According to these doubters, Osiris was called “Lord of Lords”, “King of Kings”, “God of Gods”, “Resurrection and the Life”, “Good Shepherd”, “Eternity and Everlastingness”, and the god who “made men and women to be ‘born again’.” Osiris’ birth was allegedly announced by three “wise men”; the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the belt of Orion. Osiris had a star in the east, Sirius, that signified his birth, and his followers enjoyed a Eucharist ceremony of sorts (in which his flesh was eaten in the form of communion cakes of wheat). Skeptics also claim Osiris taught much of the same material as Jesus; the claim many teachings are identically the same, word for word. Osiris was allegedly killed and resurrected, providing hope every believer might also be resurrected into eternal life. These similarities, when offered in isolation, seem dramatic. But are they true, and if so, what bearing does this have on the historicity of Jesus?

In order to respond to claims such as these, careful investigators must expose any false claims, uncover the faulty “cherry picking” strategy employed in such comparisons, reveal the common cultural expectations of any people group thinking about the existence and nature of God, unearth the unlikely approach allegedly adopted by early Christians, and establish the reliable historical record for the person of Jesus. When it comes to Osiris, the first step in this process involves a close examination of the alleged similarities to see if they are true in the first place. As is the case with comparisons to Mithras and Horus, false similarities are often offered by folks who simply haven’t done their homework (for another examination of Osiris and many other alleged Christian precursors, please visit David Anderson’s excellent website):

Claim: Osiris was called “Lord of Lords”, “King of Kings”, “God of Gods”, “Resurrection and the Life”, “Good Shepherd”, “Eternity and Everlastingness”, and the god who “made men and women to be “born again”
Truth: These names for Jesus were not used by Osiris, who was called, “Lord of All”, the “Good Being”, “Lord of the Underworld”, “Lord (King) of Eternity”, “Ruler of the Dead”, “Lord of the West”, “Great One”, “He who takes seat,” “the Begetter”, “the Ram”, “Great Word”, “Chief of the Spirits”, “Ruler of Everlastingness”, “Living God,” “God above the gods.” These rather general names were not uncommon for many other deities as well.

Claim: Osiris’ birth was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the belt of Orion, and Osiris had a star in the east (Sirius) that signified his birth
Truth: It is true that some scholars connect Osiris with Orion, but they don’t stretch the imagination to call the three stars of the belt “wise men”, and there is no mention of an eastern star in the Osiris mythology.

Claim: Osiris had a Eucharist ceremony of sorts, in which his flesh was eaten in the form of communion cakes of wheat
Truth: There is no evidence for this in the research of the scholars

Claim: Osiris taught much of the same material as Jesus; many teachings are identically the same, word for word
Truth: There is absolutely no evidence of any of this, and the “wisdom” of Osiris is still available for review.

Claim: Osiris was killed and later resurrected, providing hope every believer might also be resurrected into eternal life
Truth: Osiris was murdered and his body was then dismembered and scattered. Later, his body pieces were recovered and rejoined, and he was rejuvenated. Osiris then journeyed to the underworld, where he became the lord of the dead. He did not resurrect with a glorified body and walk with men on earth, as did Jesus. He was not alive again, as was Jesus, but was instead a “dead” god who never returned among the living

From this quick examination of the Osiris tradition, we can see he was not called by the same names used for Jesus, and while he was connected by some to the Orion constellation, there is no mention of three wise men in the Osiris birth story. In addition, Osiris was not celebrated with a Eucharist. He was murdered and reassembled, but was not resurrected to glory and life as was Jesus. As always, the first step in refuting such claims is to simply investigate the attributes carefully. Beyond this, we must also recognize the expectations and yearnings people have related to the existence of God. The Bible rightly describes this yearning and the innate knowledge each of us has related to God’s existence (Romans 1:18-20 and 2:12-16). We shouldn’t be surprised ancient people (created in the image of God) would think deeply about the nature of this God. Many alleged similarities between pre-Christian mythologies and Jesus are extremely general in nature and would be expected from anyone considering the existence of a Divine Creator. Primitive cultures interested in God’s nature reasoned He would have the ability to perform miracles, teach humans and form disciples. These universal expectations fail to invalidate the historicity of Jesus. As Paul recognized on Mars Hill (Acts 17:22-31), men thought deeply about the nature of God prior to His arrival as Jesus. Sometimes they imagined the details correctly, sometimes they didn’t.

While Osiris is no longer worshiped, Christianity continues to thrive. Why? Because the Christian records are reliable.In the end, similarities between Jesus and mythological precursors fail to invalidate the historicity of Jesus. The historical veracity of Jesus is determined from the evidence supporting the reliability of the eyewitness accounts. Jesus is not simply a retelling of the Osiris mythology. While Osiris is no longer worshiped, Christianity continues to thrive. Why? Because the Christian records are reliable. Skeptics sometimes portray Osiris as something he isn’t in order to keep us from believing in Jesus as something He is. But the reliable Biblical record establishes the Deity of Jesus in a way no other ancient mythological text could ever hope to achieve.

 

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It's no more biased than any other source is. All people have faith in their own beliefs and mention proof to support them.
Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Osiris Mythology? | Cold Case Christianity

No, you are listening to people that are rather dishonest. They accuse others of their sins. They know that faith is a bad reason to believe anything and since they know that they have to rely on faith and not rational reasoning they try to accuse others of the same.

Here is a challenge, find one of my beliefs that is faith based and see if you can support that claim.

I see that your second source is dishonest as well. They relied on a strawman argument since you hat is much easier to "win" than an actual argument. Why did they try to change what their opponents claimed? Is that honest? Is that "Christian "?

 

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The Bible talks about the sinfulness of people and the love of God for his creation. That isn't in any other faith. Krishna or Zeus never died for the sins of their creation. They were not redeemers and advocates. Jesus didn't just die so that we could be forgiven but also that we could come before God, a closeness to God that Job in the Old Testament didn't have.

It also portrays God as an incompetent, evil being. Nor are his actions or demands rational. You forgot your own myth. God did not die for the sins of others. At the most he took a day and a half break. When you claim that your God died for others, which he did not, at best that gives us only a "So what?" argument. It only looks impressive to those indoctrinated from birth.

 

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It also portrays God as an incompetent, evil being. Nor are his actions or demands rational. You forgot your own myth. God did not die for the sins of others. At the most he took a day and a half break. When you claim that your God died for others, which he did not, at best that gives us only a "So what?" argument. It only looks impressive to those indoctrinated from birth.

The resurrection of Jesus doesn't take away from him dying for our sins.

 

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The resurrection of Jesus doesn't take away from him dying for our sins.

Actually it sort of does. It means that in a god sense that he was never dead. Do you not see how silly it is for God to sacrifice himself to himself so that he could forgive people from himself for a problem that he caused in the first place?

 

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Actually it sort of does. It means that in a god sense that he was never dead. Do you not see how silly it is for God to sacrifice himself to himself so that he could forgive people from himself for a problem that he caused in the first place?

The soul of everyone lives forever. How does Jesus coming back take away from his death? Just because he was preaching to the spirits in prison for three days doesn't mean he was dead.

 

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No, you are listening to people that are rather dishonest. They accuse others of their sins. They know that faith is a bad reason to believe anything and since they know that they have to rely on faith and not rational reasoning they try to accuse others of the same.

Here is a challenge, find one of my beliefs that is faith based and see if you can support that claim.

I see that your second source is dishonest as well. They relied on a strawman argument since you hat is much easier to "win" than an actual argument. Why did they try to change what their opponents claimed? Is that honest? Is that "Christian "?

A Christian is no better than any other sinner. Don't we all have faith in what we believe? Something being rational is still based on faith.

It takes more faith to believe that we evolved from beings with intermediate organs than to believe that God created everything.

 

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Everyone mentions loving one another. The best sort of love, humility, and honesty comes from not holding any single book or belief above others. I think all the religious groups exist to intentionally bring everyone to find personal, individual testimonies and beliefs about God. It is only after you mistrust and leave your religious group, when the group no longer dictates your beliefs, that you can go directly to the source with no middle man. No leaning on arms of flesh, no borrowed light. In the end, there is no book, no group, no denomination - it is just God. Blessings to you on your journey!

Jesus showed the greatest demonstration of love by dying on the cross for our sins. Jesus is not about any denomination. People confuse God with the church.