Do societies sometimes "quarentine" the healthy.

[Quagmire]

This is a spin off From another thread. The question was raised "Does civilization sometimes quarantine the healthy".

Coronavirus precaution overkill ( maybe)

My position is that yes it does. Consider:

Activist are often imprisoned for ideologies that many people would consider healthier than those belonging to the people who imprisoned them. The purpise is often to "quarantine" these indivuduals to keep these ideoligies from spreading and " infecting" the general populace.

By the most basic standards of Natural selection, those in possession of the highest levels of advantageous qualities such as brute strength and a propensity towards violence are often imprisoned, "quarantined" to protect the week or more passive members of society.

Parents often enroll their children in private schools In order to quarantine them from what they would consider undesirable influences. In economic terms these children could be considered healthier than the norm.

Thise are just a few examples.

 

[sun rise]

Given a broad definition of quarantine, I agree. Many could be called prisoners of conscience.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

This is a spin off From another thread. The question was raised "Does civilization sometimes quarantine the healthy".

Coronavirus precaution overkill ( maybe)

My position is that yes it does. Consider:

Activist are often imprisoned for ideologies that many people would consider healthier than those belonging to the people who imprisoned them. The purpise is often to "quarantine" these indivuduals to keep these ideoligies from spreading and " infecting" the general populace.

By the most basic standards of Natural selection, those in possession of the highest levels of advantageous qualities such as brute strength and a propensity towards violence are often imprisoned, "quarantined" to protect the week or more passive members of society.

Parents often enroll their children in private schools In order to quarantine them from what they would consider undesirable influences. In economic terms these children could be considered healthier than the norm.

Thise are just a few examples.

Nice attempt to redefine 'quarantine'.

As I said before, civilization doesn't quarantine the healthy. It quarantines the sick. Till now.

Your 'examples' are not examples of 'quarantine'.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[exchemist]

This is a spin off From another thread. The question was raised "Does civilization sometimes quarantine the healthy".

Coronavirus precaution overkill ( maybe)

My position is that yes it does. Consider:

Activist are often imprisoned for ideologies that many people would consider healthier than those belonging to the people who imprisoned them. The purpise is often to "quarantine" these indivuduals to keep these ideoligies from spreading and " infecting" the general populace.

By the most basic standards of Natural selection, those in possession of the highest levels of advantageous qualities such as brute strength and a propensity towards violence are often imprisoned, "quarantined" to protect the week or more passive members of society.

Parents often enroll their children in private schools In order to quarantine them from what they would consider undesirable influences. In economic terms these children could be considered healthier than the norm.

Thise are just a few examples.

Quarantine has been used from time immemorial to isolate groups of people in case they might have some contagion.

So these could easily be healthy. The object was to find out if they were healthy or not, before admitting them.

(The word comes from 40 days, which I gather was the period used by Venice to isolate visiting ships at the time of the Black Death.)

Civilisation has always done this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is a spin off From another thread. The question was raised "Does civilization sometimes quarantine the healthy".

Coronavirus precaution overkill ( maybe)

My position is that yes it does. Consider:

Activist are often imprisoned for ideologies that many people would consider healthier than those belonging to the people who imprisoned them. The purpise is often to "quarantine" these indivuduals to keep these ideoligies from spreading and " infecting" the general populace.

By the most basic standards of Natural selection, those in possession of the highest levels of advantageous qualities such as brute strength and a propensity towards violence are often imprisoned, "quarantined" to protect the week or more passive members of society.

Parents often enroll their children in private schools In order to quarantine them from what they would consider undesirable influences. In economic terms these children could be considered healthier than the norm.

Thise are just a few examples.

No, as that is not how quarantine is used or defined.
Definition of QUARANTINE
Definition of quarantine
(Entry 1 of 2)

1 : a period of 40 days
2a : a term during which a ship arriving in port and suspected of carrying contagious disease is held in isolation from the shore
3a : a restraint upon the activities or communication of persons or the transport of goods designed to prevent the spread of disease or pests
b : a place in which those under quarantine are kept
4 : a state of enforced isolation

 

[PureX]

In any group of humans, there will inevitably be a few who manage to gain access to the 'levers of control' that hold the social group together and determine their agenda. And those few will not want to give over that control to anyone else, regardless of how well or how badly they, themselves, are executing it.

There will also inevitably be a few others who wish to take over those levers of control, because they feel they would do a better job at executing that control. And so the battle between the "conservatives" (those who already have control, and want to maintain it) and the "progressives" (those who want to gain control because they believe they could improve the outcome). The progressives want inclusion while the conservatives want exclusion. Hence, the factionalism and the "quarantining" begins. Every aspect of control must be sequestered and protected by those who have it: knowledge, wealth, weaponry, cultural mythology, and so on. An inner sanctum must be created wherein the privileged few get to share in these mechanisms of control, while everyone else must be kept away, and kept powerless.

 

[Quagmire]

Nice attempt to redefine 'quarantine'.

As I said before, civilization doesn't quarantine the healthy. It quarantines the sick. Till now.

Your 'examples' are not examples of 'quarantine'.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I didnt have to redefine it, Webster already did it fir me:

Definition of QUARANTINE

"2: to isolate from normal relations or communication, quarantine an aggressor"


My examples are viable examples of quarantine, just not according to the definitions that you're used to.

As I said before, civilization doesn't quarantine the healthy. It quarantines the sick. Till now

Yes, you keep saying that,, and will no doubt continue to do so regardless of what I show you.

Your 'examples' are not examples of 'quarantine'.

Guess we'll just have to disagree on that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As I said before, civilization doesn't quarantine the healthy. It quarantines the sick. Till now.

That is also not true as past plagues have seen people ordere to stay at home/indoors, and sometimes healthy people are quarantined as a safety precaution.

 

[Quagmire]

No, as that is not how quarantine is used or defined.
Definition of QUARANTINE
Definition of quarantine
(Entry 1 of 2)

1 : a period of 40 days
2a : a term during which a ship arriving in port and suspected of carrying contagious disease is held in isolation from the shore
3a : a restraint upon the activities or communication of persons or the transport of goods designed to prevent the spread of disease or pests
b : a place in which those under quarantine are kept
4 : a state of enforced isolation

Because semantics are always more important than principles.

Edit: hey look, the last definition on your list agrees with me anyway:

4: a state of enforced isolation.


Pretty simple and straight forward.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My examples are viable examples of quarantine, just not according to the definitions that you're used to.

They are not as the definition of quarantine is to prevent the spread of disease and includes isolation. Private schools fulfill neother of those points.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because semantics are always more important than principles.

Its not semantics. Its established definitions that allow for meaningful communication, least we have no consistency in definitions, rendering effective communication impossible. Quarantine revolves around isolation, it revolves around preventing the spread of disease. Prisons do neither.

 

[Quagmire]

They are not as the definition of quarantine is to prevent the spread of disease and includes isolation. Private schools fulfill neother of those points.

As with most words, theres more than one definition and usage varies within definitions.

 

[Shad]

This is a spin off From another thread. The question was raised "Does civilization sometimes quarantine the healthy".

Coronavirus precaution overkill ( maybe)

My position is that yes it does. Consider:

Activist are often imprisoned for ideologies that many people would consider healthier than those belonging to the people who imprisoned them. The purpise is often to "quarantine" these indivuduals to keep these ideoligies from spreading and " infecting" the general populace.

By the most basic standards of Natural selection, those in possession of the highest levels of advantageous qualities such as brute strength and a propensity towards violence are often imprisoned, "quarantined" to protect the week or more passive members of society.

Parents often enroll their children in private schools In order to quarantine them from what they would consider undesirable influences. In economic terms these children could be considered healthier than the norm.

Thise are just a few examples.

You are conflating different types of quarantining and claiming acts which have nothing to do with quarantines as if they are quarantines. You are purposely distorting things to arrive at the conclusion you wanted.

 

[Quagmire]

Its not semantics. Its established definitions that allow for meaningful communication, least we have no consistency in definitions, rendering effective communication impossible.

Shoud I write that 100 times on the blackboard?

Quarantine revolves around isolation, it revolves around preventing the spread of disease. Prisons do neither.

You're right, prisons are for rehabilitation.

 

[Quagmire]

You are conflating different types of quarantining and claiming acts which have nothing to do with quarantines as if they are quarantines. You are purposely distorting things to arrive at the conclusion you wanted.

Can you give me more detail?

Edit: because your post as is doesnt seem to mean anything.

Edit again: or put it this way: show me how any of my examples fail to fullfill this definition:

4: a state of enforced isolation.

 

[McBell]

Nice attempt to redefine 'quarantine'.

As I said before, civilization doesn't quarantine the healthy. It quarantines the sick. Till now.

Your 'examples' are not examples of 'quarantine'.

Good-Ole-Rebel

No idea what definition you are using....

 

[Polymath257]

This is a spin off From another thread. The question was raised "Does civilization sometimes quarantine the healthy".

Coronavirus precaution overkill ( maybe)

My position is that yes it does. Consider:

Activist are often imprisoned for ideologies that many people would consider healthier than those belonging to the people who imprisoned them. The purpise is often to "quarantine" these indivuduals to keep these ideoligies from spreading and " infecting" the general populace.

By the most basic standards of Natural selection, those in possession of the highest levels of advantageous qualities such as brute strength and a propensity towards violence are often imprisoned, "quarantined" to protect the week or more passive members of society.

Parents often enroll their children in private schools In order to quarantine them from what they would consider undesirable influences. In economic terms these children could be considered healthier than the norm.

Thise are just a few examples.

There is some ambiguity in the term 'healthy'.

Take the case of Typhoid Mary. She was an asymptomatic carrier of typhoid who, being a cook, managed to infect around 50 other people, at least 3 of whom died. But she never felt sick from it at all.

Was Mary 'healthy'? A case could easily be made either way. She certainly never experienced symptoms of typhoid. But she was a very active carrier that infected others.

But she was twice forcibly quarantined and died after over 30 years in isolation.

 

[Polymath257]

Nice attempt to redefine 'quarantine'.

As I said before, civilization doesn't quarantine the healthy. It quarantines the sick. Till now.

Your 'examples' are not examples of 'quarantine'.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Simply false. Civilization has always quarantined those who *might* be sick, in part to see if they get sick. That is sort of the original point of quarantine: to isolate people to determine if they carry a disease or not.

 

[Shad]

Can you give me more detail?

Edit: because your post as is doesnt seem to mean anything.

Edit again: or put it this way: show me how any of my examples fail to fullfill this definition:

4: a state of enforced isolation.

Going to a private school does not equate isolation from public school nor does it equate enforced.

 

[sun rise]

Given the thrashing about the definition, I'm reminded of one of my goto quotes at times like this:

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass