Do the Abrahamic religions have the same god in actuality?

[gsa]

Well the demiurge is the creator of this world. Jews, Muslims, and non-gnostic Christians identify their deity as the creator.

The demiurge is actually something akin to "Lord Shaper" though, right? He is not, strictly speaking, identified with ultimate reality. I think you've identified a disagreement between Gnostics and Christians/Jews/Muslims, but most (though not all) would probably identify God more along the lines of the Monad, although they also agree that the God of the Tanakh is the same as the Absolute one god.

There are Jews and Christians, at least, who disagree and think that God is more artisan/shaper than creator ex nihilo (or via emanations, if you prefer). But they are a minority.

 

[nazz]

The demiurge is actually something akin to "Lord Shaper" though, right?

The word literally means "public worker". It's simply a designation of the creator and ruler of this world.

He is not, strictly speaking, identified with ultimate reality.

Correct

I think you've identified a disagreement between Gnostics and Christians/Jews/Muslims, but most (though not all) would probably identify God more along the lines of the Monad, although they also agree that the God of the Tanakh is the same as the Absolute one god.

There are Jews and Christians, at least, who disagree and think that God is more artisan/shaper than creator ex nihilo (or via emanations, if you prefer). But they are a minority.

I've never known any

 

[gsa]

I've never known any

Jon Levenson of Harvard Divinity, for example. Mormons. Thomas Jay Oord (theologian and member of the Church of the Nazarene). Some process theologians. Not aware of any Islamic proponents, but it has Abrahamic advocates.

 

[nazz]

Jon Levenson of Harvard Divinity, for example. Mormons. Thomas Jay Oord (theologian and member of the Church of the Nazarene). Some process theologians. Not aware of any Islamic proponents, but it has Abrahamic advocates.

Well I also think this was the original idea of the ancient Hebrews. Creatio ex nihilo was a
Greek idea that came later. But either way we are talking about the demiurge.

 

[gsa]

Well I also think this was the original idea of the ancient Hebrews. Creatio ex nihilo was a
Greek idea that came later. But either way we are talking about the demiurge.

I agree with you that the shaper/artisan concept was the original one. I'm just saying, it is a minority position in these traditions. Personally I tend to favor it; but I would be hard pressed to describe most Jews, Christians and (certainly) Muslims as endorsers of the theory. And that makes me hesitant to say that they worship the Demiurge as traditionally understood. I also am not sure that the Demiurge is really compatible with creation ex nihilo.

 

[nazz]

I agree with you that the shaper/artisan concept was the original one. I'm just saying, it is a minority position in these traditions. Personally I tend to favor it; but I would be hard pressed to describe most Jews, Christians and (certainly) Muslims as endorsers of the theory. And that makes me hesitant to say that they worship the Demiurge as traditionally understood. I also am not sure that the Demiurge is really compatible with creation ex nihilo.

I don't think it's even possible

 

[ChristineES]

I believe that all three worship the same God, but they are not the same religions.

 

[LuisDantas]

You know, it is a bit funny... we atheists are seen with mistrust and rejection for doubting outright that God exists.

Then I occasionally see a glimpse of how many people claim to understand his nature, limitations, lifespam, "proper number of avatars", naming etiquette, work habits.

I can't help but feel both that it is yet further evidence that God is a human creation and also that the perception of atheism as arrogant is very misguided.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

You know, it is a bit funny... we atheists are seen with mistrust and rejection for doubting outright that God exists.

Then I occasionally see a glimpse of how many people claim to understand his nature, limitations, lifespam, "proper number of avatars", naming etiquette, work habits.

I can't help but feel both that it is yet further evidence that God is a human creation and also that the perception of atheism as arrogant is very misguided.

Indeed. We're the minority Luis. The minority is often mistrusted. At this point in time, most of humanity is still theistic.

 

[Adstar]

In theology two of them claim they do. Muslims claim their god is the god of Abraham, and so do Christians.

How can their radically differing views about God be reconciled though? Christians believe God is triune, which neither Jews or Muslims believe. Similarly, some Jews and Christians recognize Allah's pre-Islamic usage
and argue that Islam's god isn't the same.

Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims actually have the same god all things considered?

The question is irrelevant..

The question is what is the true revealed will of the God of Abraham. It does not matter how many sects claim to have His true Revealed will. If their revelations are in conflict then only one can be correct.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

The question is irrelevant..

The question is what is the true revealed will of the God of Abraham. It does not matter how many sects claim to have His true Revealed will. If their revelations are in conflict then only one can be correct.

Which do you think that is?

 

[Adstar]

W

Which do you think that is?

ell i am a Bible believing Christian. So the Revelation of the Bible to me is the true will of God revealed to me.

 

[Desert Snake]

In theology two of them claim they do. Muslims claim their god is the god of Abraham, and so do Christians.

How can their radically differing views about God be reconciled though? Christians believe God is triune, which neither Jews or Muslims believe. Similarly, some Jews and Christians recognize Allah's pre-Islamic usage
and argue that Islam's god isn't the same.

Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims actually have the same god all things considered?

Lol it depends on who you ask. Literally. Even though technically they most likely are. Some modern scholars might make separations, dunno.

 

[George-ananda]

Do the Abrahamic religions have the same god in actuality?

I'll go with 'Yes' as they are part of a continuum. Different aspects and views are bound to occur with such a concept beyond our comprehension.

 

[Levite]

There is only the One God. All monotheistic religions have that same awareness in common. And, from my perspective, at least, the polytheistic ones have in common that they mistake facets of the One God for many gods.

Theologies and scriptures may be different, some may be more and less effective-- both from the perspectives of other faiths and from the perspectives of different schools of thought within their own traditions. But there is only the One God, and therefore all who worship only One God are worshipping the same God in common.

 

[LuisDantas]

All of them, Levite?

Is it even theorically possible for a religion to be completely wrongheaded?

 

[Levite]

All of them, Levite?

Is it even theorically possible for a religion to be completely wrongheaded?

Sure, if it's a cult or something of the sort, using spirituality and theology purely as a tool for one or two people to control others and enslave, rob, and/or otherwise harm them. Or if it's some sort of absolutist, radical extremism, bent totally on domination, destruction, and violence. Those would be instances of completely wrongheaded religion.

Outside instances such as that, while I certainly believe that theologies can be more or less effective, and even sometimes downright erroneous, I still would place some value on any legitimate process of people reaching out for the numinous, and seeking beyond themselves for enlightenment, spiritual awareness, and positive connection with others and the universe at large.

 

[paarsurrey]

There is only the One God. All monotheistic religions have that same awareness in common. And, from my perspective, at least, the polytheistic ones have in common that they mistake facets of the One God for many gods.

Theologies and scriptures may be different, some may be more and less effective-- both from the perspectives of other faiths and from the perspectives of different schools of thought within their own traditions. But there is only the One God, and therefore all who worship only One God are worshipping the same God in common.

Levite said: ↑[But there is only the One God, and therefore all who worship only One God are worshipping the same God in common.]


I agree with what I have colored in magenta.

Regards

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't know. It's up to them.

I am a Christian, and my God loves all the people of the world equally, regardless of their religion or of their sexuality.
My God is a forgiving, loving God, that expects us to love one another as much as he loves us.
My God would never kill anyone.
My God would never authorize anyone to kill a human being.


so...now I am asking you: in your opinion, does it deal with the same God?

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm not a big fan of terms like "Abrahamic" or "Judeo-Christian"; I think they imply a shared bond that is rarely present.

I think that all religions, not just those three, share the same God (I am a monotheist, after all ), but we have radically different understanding of God. While both Islam and Christianity build off of Judaism, they differ enough that theological understanding can be quite difficult.

Tarheeler said: ↑[While both Islam and Christianity build off of Judaism]


Islam is certainly not built off Judaism. Moses did receive Revelation from G-d directly so did Muhammad receive Word of Revelation directly from G-d; that does not mean that Islam is build off Judaism. It will be true to say that Moses and Muhammad had a common source of Revelation i.e., G-d.
Please correct your thoughts.

Regards