Do you as a Muslim believe in women's equality?

[Robert.Evans]

Then I agree. In those aspects I believe women should be equal.

I tried to connect what naturally makes a gender different than the other. We have a saying that goes "who misses a thing, cannot give it". I don't think it is good to give a woman an equal opportunity for a job that requires extensive heavy lifting. I don't want women to be abused like that. But then again I'm only adding more unrelated talk to it. I could be wrong, why not.

And ma'am, thank you for your open minded posts

Who open minded post comes from a position of other women fighting for the right to vote so she can have the luxury of working and not being, as she might see it, under the control of a man. We may all see things differently when we are in such positions. Millionaires rarely worry about money, no surprise why.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't think a job that requires heavy lifting is abusive towards women. Everybody has their own unique capabilities regardless of gender. Some women are stronger than some men. I know I was quite stronger than many men I knew for a while. I use to spend a lot of time weight-lifting and working out and use to have arm-wrestling competitions with male Marines...many I won. Honestly, who do you think would probably have an easier time with heavy lifting between these two?

So what?
We are now supposed to make all women lift weights! haha.
Please! Stick with the majority shall we. Why do you do that then? Do you think that you are of no value if you are feminine and thin and weak, is that it? You have to beat the men, does that help the ego, is that it? Interesting remarks of yours, reflected in your writing I think.

 

[Robert.Evans]

There's no reason the father can't raise the children in the mother's absence. They can take turns.

No reason why the mother can't raise the children either... lest of course they want money and power and freedom from men perhaps, and they judge themselves that way.

 

[Robert.Evans]

A father is just as capable of taking care of a baby. The only thing a mother can do that a father can't is breastfeed. Don't project your own inadequacies upon all other men please.

Charming. Personal attacks as well eh.
Women are better with babies and children. Perhaps you thinking of a few men you know. I know of a lot of men in real life and the media that you would not want near them. Women have the better qualties for that. You won't admit it of course, it's all to do with insecurities, egos, power and money. Shame!

 

[Robert.Evans]

Not to intrude, but...........
I understood the question quite clearly and I'm a woman. So much for not being able to do what a man does, eh? As Mystic said, it was asked in layman English. But as I am not a Muslim, I could not answer the question. So I must ask, are you just being obtuse, sir? Or are you saying that you can't understand basic English?

Not relevant whether you are clever than me or not. Perhaps you should read the last few pages again.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Considering that, excluding matters concerning physiology, the distributions of abilities of men and women overlap, what you wrote is nonsense. Both men and women should be free to develop their abilities as best suits them, without being restricted by superstitious taboos.

Some cultures deeply deserve to be lost. The world would be better off without them.

There is always consequences for actions.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't know what's making you angry at me or your hatred at some cultures. I don't want women to be touched all over by police men at check points and in cases of speciousness. Women deserve to have paid vacations in their special monthly periods and for pregnancy/delivery periods. Women should not stand in long lines like men can do. If you want that to happen to your women, it's your call, but don't push it on others like your views are the right and perfect ones.

I don't know why people these days don't wanna discuss things with an open mind. So what if I was wrong? You think you're method in conversing helps at all?

Excluding what you excluded which happens to be the reason behind my post in the first place makes what you said the nonsense here.

At some point I thought you were a reasonable person willing to discuss things properly, but I was completely wrong about you with that attitude of yours.

It does appear that this subject, along with one or two others, is difficult to discuss openly. People I think feel too controlled as soon as you put a view across they don't like.

 

[Robert.Evans]

When the majority here evaluate equality, we're not merely evaluating ability and capability.

We're evaluating equal right to dignified treatment, safety, unencumbered speech, opportunity & freedom to pursue personal interests without discrimination based on gender.

We should be looking at the greater good of society as masculine and feminine aspects of God

 

[Robert.Evans]

You, my good man, are an idiot. There, now go ahead and hit the report button. It had to be said.

You show more about yourself than me madam

 

[Robert.Evans]

A father is just as capable of taking care of a baby. The only thing a mother can do that a father can't is breastfeed. Don't project your own inadequacies upon all other men please.

That statement is not based in reality.

 

[Draka]

Okay, I don't think I can do this anymore. I just can't truly believe that I'm actually talking to someone who honestly hold such beliefs. Not in this day and age. Alright, I'll admit, I've obviously been trolled. I fell for it. Hook, line and sinker. Well played. Excellent trolling.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Okay, I don't think I can do this anymore. I just can't truly believe that I'm actually talking to someone who honestly hold such beliefs. Not in this day and age. Alright, I'll admit, I've obviously been trolled. I fell for it. Hook, line and sinker. Well played. Excellent trolling.

Very funny. Think again, but without all the baggage that you bring with you, and try and think of the collective instead of the individual all the time.

Perhaps you can give your own understandings of my understandings. I doubt if they will actaully be mine though.

 

[Draka]

I commend your commitment to the role.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I commend your commitment to the role.

I think you have no answer then, just emotions. If anyone is trolling it is you.

 

[Draka]

Bravo.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I don't think a job that requires heavy lifting is abusive towards women. Everybody has their own unique capabilities regardless of gender. Some women are stronger than some men. I know I was quite stronger than many men I knew for a while. I use to spend a lot of time weight-lifting and working out and use to have arm-wrestling competitions with male Marines...many I won. Honestly, who do you think would probably have an easier time with heavy lifting between these two?

I see where you're coming from, ma'am, and I agree with you in that special case scenario. This life is not always regular and exceptions are always there. What I believe, and addressed, is that men by nature are much more accepting to physical abuse than women. I think science proves that. It is the norm I'm talking about and I believe the norm is what to follow as a main rule. I think average men are generally more physically fit/capable than average women. That of course also gives some negative attributes to men, not that I'm trying to belittle women here.

I think Beth Phoenix is cool btw (and hot ), and I respect her. But how many male wrestlers can she really go toe to toe with? Even the Entertainment put her against men like about a couple times only and they know her better.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Bravo.

I took this off the top of my search. I couldn't be bothered to look further as I know you are not interested. This is your feminism:

Children whose parents split are NINE times more likely to ...
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4 Nov 2010 - Troubled: Two-thirds of young offenders come from single-parent ... On crime, he said children from broken homes were more than twice as ... He quoted figures from different sources putting the cost to the country of family .

 

[Robert.Evans]

1. Single-Parent Families Cause Juvenile Crime (From ...
   NCJRS Abstract - National Criminal Justice Reference Service
   by RL Maginnis - ‎1997
   Title: Single-Parent Families Cause Juvenile Crime (From Juvenile Crime: Opposing ... Index Term(s): Juvenile delinquency factors ; Parent-Child Relations ...

 

[Smart_Guy]

It does appear that this subject, along with one or two others, is difficult to discuss openly. People I think feel too controlled as soon as you put a view across they don't like.

Revolt keeps implying (as I understood it) that feminism related talks gets people out of their minds (generally speaking, I'm not pointing at anyone). Well, I kinda understand how they feel. Good people get protective (over protective?!?!) towards those they care for. I think I snapped there before and I really feel bad for it. I think I should have taken it as my signature suggests

 

[Robert.Evans]

Revolt keeps implying (as I understood it) that feminism related talks gets people out of their minds (generally speaking, I'm not pointing at anyone). Well, I kinda understand how they feel. Good people get protective (over protective?!?!) towards those they care for. I think I snapped there before and I really feel bad for it. I think I should have taken it as my signature suggests

So what is it like where you are with women? I forget now where you are, Saudi is it? People in the west like to make out it is bad, but I don't see it. Customs are different. Want to share some?