Equal importance as in a woman is deserving of the same manner of dignity and opportunity as would be extended to a man. I construed your post to imply that women are less important than men.
Just because a women values (as she should) bringing up the human race as being important for EVERYONE, so that we have less antisocial attitudes and gangs, does not make her less than men. Other than putting food on the table and a roof over someone's head, tell me what else is more important?
I don't view it that way.
I am not surprised. it would mean considering soceity as a whole and men.
If I'm hired, I trust that I've been hired because I'm the best person for a position.
That is unlikely. They will probably do it because if they don't they would be in toruble with the law, and being women, they will assume you will be less militant, and if men hire you, it is someone to flirt with, and stop a man getting a job also (win win for a male) and if a woman, it is another way of taking power from men. Long story. i shall explain it all if you wish.
I haven't taken anything away from anyone. I've just filled a position that I was best qualified for out of a pool of candidates. We're approaching this from different perspectives,as I view men and women through equal opportunity lenses. I would be offended if a man or woman were discriminated against on the basis of gender.
Can you further expound upon what you meant by your last sentence?
Men and women are different. Period. Men have to basically live a lie to accomodate you as women, so that you can fit into the world we have created. Men will do it to save the nagging or just to curry favour. We follow our primorial past, did you not know? It is all about procreation.
Perhaps you are too young to understand it. Perhaps this is just part of what you consider to be normal. But the change has come over the last few decades and it has had marked effect on families, or the lack of them. There are many single parent families now. Sometimes that brings about problems, and extreme of that is a man who can't cope, (which i recall) who killed his wife and kids and then drove his car into the back of a lorry at speed and killed himself.
The crime rate also has a marked difference. Single parent families always are higher up in the figures in crime, murder, rape, theft, drug abuse, solvent abuse, suicides, problems with authorities. The interesting one is the rape. If I recall correctly, the full statement was: 'rape with misplaced anger'. Who, I wonder might be the anger be really meant for? The mother perhaps because the father is not there? But hey, we can't assault women, so let's bottle it up and then fight a man or take it out on an innocent woman.
Do you think as wome that you ar invisible perhaps? Do you think that what you do does not effect society, does not effect men? Do you assume that men have 'doormat' written on their foreheads?
You as women are half the population of the world. As it is, instead of valueing you true contribution, you value your contribution the same way men do. Why? The reason is becasue you feel insecure around me, so you only value your own efforts when it is in line with mens. Wrong approach. Detrimental to the human race. Greed orientation.
We're both partners and spouses. I don't feel inferior to my husband and he doesn't feel superior to me.
You use the term ''partner'' because you don't want to be see as HIS ''wife''. That is an insecurity in you, not a problem with men.
We approach our relationship through equal opportunity lenses, meaning, we would not discriminate against the other or deny the other opportunity based upon gender.
So you would lift the heavy weight and clean the drains out and fight the burglar who had just brokedn in then would you?
I'm sorry, but, that's genuinely the impression that you're giving. I'm more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and to try to understand your point of view, but, you've given me this impression.
Well I comend you for at least considering it. You are the first
You take that as an impression because it is standard in the media now. If someone mentions Jews, women at home, men living with men or women with women, ears instantly prick up. They listen for those buzz words and assume just because you mention them, that means you must be a racist, s-xist, etc etc. So dialogue is lost, mainly because of insecure power mad women who call ALL men r-pist and b-stards and men who think that now they have somehow managed to stand upright by siding with a woman. In truth, they defend their own interests. So we are back to money again. Let me ask you this, if society was not as it is now, with all its modern convieniences, would women be crying out 'equality''? (meaning give me more money and power)
I'm not ashamed that I'm strong willed and strong minded.
If it is directed right, good.
I'm grateful for a strong mind and spirit. And I'm also, as a mother, nurturing and concerned about raising children that are respectable citizens. I have no desire to live independent of men. But, I would rather be alone than to be with a man who abuses me or restricts my ability to think for myself and to aspire to achieve my own goals in life.
No one is supposed to abuse anyone. Though it is interesting that you assume that is what it means, if a man says perhaps, stay at home and bring up the human race. I see no grater gift that God can give you. And if you were truly alone from men, I doubt if you would survive. You are thinking of the modern day life style again (made largely by men)
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I was referring to YOU directly. Not to men as a generality. What have YOU done to aid in my personal freedoms?
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What I have done is irrevilevant. It is the greater good of society that counts and keeping the correct balance and knowing right from wrong, and clean from unclean, good from evil.
In this thread, I have only expressed my disdain towards specific treatment of women and the actions of specific men. No, I don't see what you mean.
Well to use you words, it is not the impression that you gave.
Okay.
There's nothing wrong w/a man looking after his wife and/or vice versa. My issue is with unhealthy and abusive relationships and actions. Healthy relationships are typically collaborative.
How are you defining aggressive in context here?
You seem to have two thoughts. One you are free to do what you want, or if not, you are being abused. Presumably you have difficulty at work then when you are told what to do.
Did you mean presumably?
"Safe and productive" within the context of my post meant that when living alone, I was okay. I was able to remain safe and provide for myself and children without anyone else. I've never suggested that I want to see men outted of the workplace or mistreated. I'm not a misandrist by any stretch of the imagination.
Again, it is not the impression you get. Women bash men all the time. You appeared to be doing it to me.
I respect a woman's right to meet her own goals and objectives too. Being a spouse and mother are my most prized roles. I'm truly humbled and thankful that I'm both. I'm able to balance these relationships and address my own professional goals. Yes, I think this is right, for me.
I don't know your circumstances, but I can only say, that a woman who is working and a mother, is not a mother.
With this said, I take no issue whatsoever with the woman that is comfortable and happy within a more traditional and conservative family construct. I'm happy for women who have the ability to stay home with their kids. I'm happy for men who get to the do the same. I think that a couple should do what's best for their family - making decisions out of mutual respect and love.
Suit yourself.
The woman is better suited for the role of rearing children, they are more interactive and less aggressive. This might not be so true nowadays with this modern day way of women being more aggressive everywhere. To put a man in charge of kids is not wise. Most men are okay, but it is still not wise.
