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Do you ask you self.

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
To those who see them self as religious (following a religion/spiritual path)

Do you look at the scripture in your chosen belief/religion and ask you self. What did God/Buddha/Dao/Shiva or other spiritual beings mean by their teachings.
Why is it that this teaching feel right to me? How come that when i follow the teaching my life get better? and lastly, of the topics you study right now, do you ask why is the teaching like this, what does it mean, how do it affect me in my life?

To Atheists.

Some of you who see you self as Atheists seem to have good knowledge about the different religions.
Do you actually study some religious texts to be able to have a good discussion with belivers?
Do you sometimes ask you self, Can some of the spiritual teachings actually be on to something?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
To those who see them self as religious (following a religion/spiritual path)

Do you look at the scripture in your chosen belief/religion and ask you self. What did God/Buddha/Dao/Shiva or other spiritual beings mean by their teachings.
Why is it that this teaching feel right to me? How come that when i follow the teaching my life get better? and lastly, of the topics you study right now, do you ask why is the teaching like this, what does it mean, how do it affect me in my life?

In Hinduism, scripture isn't really the focus for most, but I'm sure there are some who do deeper study. The same truths can be found in meditation, if you go deep enough.

For me personally, I'll take one verse per day, or less, and really concentrate on that. I've done Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, attempted the Tirumanthiram, and done the Tirukkural. Reading cover to cover isn't my thing. In my sampradaya, there is a daily study program of lessons, and we repeat it each year. I'm about due for a new book or 3, as the cover is pretty much off.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
In Hinduism, scripture isn't really the focus for most, but I'm sure there are some who do deeper study. The same truths can be found in meditation, if you go deep enough.

For me personally, I'll take one verse per day, or less, and really concentrate on that. I've done Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, attempted the Tirumanthiram, and done the Tirukkural. Reading cover to cover isn't my thing. In my sampradaya, there is a daily study program of lessons, and we repeat it each year. I'm about due for a new book or 3, as the cover is pretty much off.

I do have the bhagavad gita actually, but have not read to much in it. but consider to start read more in the different religious books i do have, to better my understanding of the teachings of other religions.

As a Buddhist i read the tipitaka and do select topics i want to deepen my understanding of and really go deep in to the texts :)
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
To those who see them self as religious (following a religion/spiritual path)

Do you look at the scripture in your chosen belief/religion and ask you self. What did God/Buddha/Dao/Shiva or other spiritual beings mean by their teachings.
Why is it that this teaching feel right to me? How come that when i follow the teaching my life get better? and lastly, of the topics you study right now, do you ask why is the teaching like this, what does it mean, how do it affect me in my life?

To Atheists.

Some of you who see you self as Atheists seem to have good knowledge about the different religions.
Do you actually study some religious texts to be able to have a good discussion with belivers?
Do you sometimes ask you self, Can some of the spiritual teachings actually be on to something?
I used to be religious, very religious, to the extent that I sought our direct messages from no other Entity than God himself. But I found that He was totally helpless to intervene in human affairs. Human beings do what they want to create a good life for themselves. Of course we can use our own brains ourselves and work out for ourselves what that 'good life' is (Did you watch the sitcom on British Televsion by that name: it was one of my favourites).Or for those morons who cannot work it out for themselves there is plenty in the literature on the affairs of human beings for one to select from. One can try them out if one has enough time. But we only have one life of 80 years on average so one does not have much time to make the right choice.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Do you look at the scripture in your chosen belief/religion and ask you self. What did God/Buddha/Dao/Shiva or other spiritual beings mean by their teachings.
All the time...All the time man when it comes to the bible...Of course Quakers have no set doctrine or creed-we tend to give authority to the Spirit....So I sometimes do question if its the Spirit guiding me or not.
Why is it that this teaching feel right to me?
I have and honestly it just calls me me and feels so natural...You got to wonder if it predestine...
How come that when i follow the teaching my life get better?
Because I'm following the Spirit and trying to live morally...
f the topics you study right now, do you ask why is the teaching like this, what does it mean, how do it affect me in my life?
Yes...All the time...And I feel it affects my life positively.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I do have the bhagavad gita actually, but have not read to much in it. but consider to start read more in the different religious books i do have, to better my understanding of the teachings of other religions.

As a Buddhist i read the tipitaka and do select topics i want to deepen my understanding of and really go deep in to the texts :)

Just as information for you, the Gita is a sectarian scripture within Hinduism. Although it is often portrayed (thanks to ISKCON mostly) as THE scripture of Hinduism, it really isn't. I'm sure it's a wonderful book, but I don't own a copy.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I used to be religious, very religious, to the extent that I sought our direct messages from no other Entity than God himself. But I found that He was totally helpless to intervene in human affairs. Human beings do what they want to create a good life for themselves. Of course we can use our own brains ourselves and work out for ourselves what that 'good life' is (Did you watch the sitcom on British Televsion by that name: it was one of my favourites).Or for those morons who cannot work it out for themselves there is plenty in the literature on the affairs of human beings for one to select from. One can try them out if one has enough time. But we only have one life of 80 years on average so one does not have much time to make the right choice.

I do not watch Televison. So no i do not know the sitcome you mention :)
I do not think same way as you, because to the teaching given in any religion is not for god to fulfill, it is a teaching that humans can follow to get closer to their god or buddha or who the follow. it is humans that must become more righterous :) Not god
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Just as information for you, the Gita is a sectarian scripture within Hinduism. Although it is often portrayed (thanks to ISKCON mostly) as THE scripture of Hinduism, it really isn't. I'm sure it's a wonderful book, but I don't own a copy.
I understand, But i would get a better understanding of Hindusim if i do read it right? even it maybe not the most common reading?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I understand, But i would get a better understanding of Hindusim if i do read it right? even it maybe not the most common reading?

You would get a better understanding of the Gaudiya Vaishnava version of Hinduism, just like you would get a better understanding of the Mormon version of Christianity if you read the Book of Mormon.

It'd be a great start for sure.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
I do not watch Televison. So no i do not know the sitcome you mention :)
I do not think same way as you, because to the teaching given in any religion is not for god to fulfill, it is a teaching that humans can follow to get closer to their god or buddha or who the follow. it is humans that must become more righterous :) Not god
Sure, now that I am off my God-delusion that He would see my through my existential crisis I would welcome some fresh insights on how to conduct myself in order to become more righteous. It is clear that I was not righteous all this time over the past 20years of dharmayudha believing it to be a God-ordained mission that I have been given the responsiblity for as the promised Messiah to bring humanity to its senses:
The Economics of Green Socialism
It has been argued here (The Inevitable Economic Doomsday Scenario for the World) that the world needs to reassess its economic direction if it is to avoid a catastrophic economic stagnation at some time in the future. To address this issue the concept of Green Socialism was introduced. What does Green Socialism mean in practical and economic terms. We need to start with a definition of socialism.

Socialism means being social, which is to live in harmony with ones fellow human beings, in a symbiotic manner. It implies that the resources of the state must be shared in a manner among the citizens that takes account of individual’s needs and abilities. It does not mean that all human beings are equal and deserve all goods and services in equal measure. Above all, it does not mean a command authoritarian state controlling the lives of the people through dictation on how they should live and what they should do. Human needs for liberty and independence should be catered for in any discussion of socialism. Within those human needs we know that humans are social animals so that there is a need to encourage communities in which the national community is the largest relevant society. Socialism means that every person should get his basic living needs met and this is his right as without governments man was free to gather whatever resources he wanted from the natural environment for a million years. No one starved because everything was free in nature. Humans got together with other human beings in the spirit of camaraderie and pooling effort to survive and thrive in nature. It is governments that gave private ownership of land to individuals that has stopped humans enjoying the freedom to do so. So socialism requires small government not large.

In the implementation of socialism one must therefore incorporate in it the individual’s freedom to act and interact without coercion. Socialism must also recognise that prosperity comes from a free market economy in which individuals have that freedom to set up businesses and provide goods and services in accordance with market demand. This will entail coping with competition which promotes efficiency and innovation. Human innovative and pioneering spirit must never be dampened coercively. So socialism does not mean subservience to a state authority that will allocate tasks for the individual members and pay them for their work. Socialism does not require a command economy in which government owns all the means of production in which people are then forced to work and survive under state coercion. Socialism means understanding human mentality and then putting up the appropriate community that optimises the survival of all. It is the opposite of capitalism in which individuals live in isolation of the community with unlimited private ownership, and having no responsibilities for other members and having no social interaction with other members of the state.

Under socialism no human being should have an unfair economic advantage over others so that they start on a level playing field and achieve their biological potentials in life. This means that all children start off with the same facilities. There is therefore a role for government in ensuring that this takes place through taxes including inheritance taxes. The state will then provide basic needs including education and health services.

Green socialism takes this form of human community living further in that it harmonises human activities with the natural environment in terms of what is sustainable and desirable as man shares the planet with other plants and animals, and this has to be done such that future generations can also thrive on the planet. This is because humans care for their children and their grand children as an emotional need. Green socialism makes the planet richer for future generations from austerity now.

What are the components of the austerity of green socialism given the above definition of socialism? The essential requirement of the economics of green socialism in today’s economy is to tax the rich and maintain very high interest rates to reduce credit fuelled consumption and investment as well as promoting savings. The need to consider what we leave behind for future generations is also socialism so that all nations must take steps to erase national debt that will be a burden on them. We have no right to burden future generations with debt from our overconsumption on credit now.

All national governments will be set targets on the level of capital they are required to build up in accordance with the resources of their environment and historically accumulated fluid money. This will be the job of the International Monetary Fund (IMF). No government will be allowed to run a national debt. In this way national government will be storing fluid money for future generations with the IMF in the form of gold.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Sure, now that I am off my God-delusion that He would see my through my existential crisis I would welcome some fresh insights on how to conduct myself in order to become more righteous. It is clear that I was not righteous all this time over the past 20years of dharmayudha believing it to be a God-ordained mission that I have been given the responsiblity for as the promised Messiah to bring humanity to its senses:
The Economics of Green Socialism
It has been argued here (The Inevitable Economic Doomsday Scenario for the World) that the world needs to reassess its economic direction if it is to avoid a catastrophic economic stagnation at some time in the future. To address this issue the concept of Green Socialism was introduced. What does Green Socialism mean in practical and economic terms. We need to start with a definition of socialism.

Socialism means being social, which is to live in harmony with ones fellow human beings, in a symbiotic manner. It implies that the resources of the state must be shared in a manner among the citizens that takes account of individual’s needs and abilities. It does not mean that all human beings are equal and deserve all goods and services in equal measure. Above all, it does not mean a command authoritarian state controlling the lives of the people through dictation on how they should live and what they should do. Human needs for liberty and independence should be catered for in any discussion of socialism. Within those human needs we know that humans are social animals so that there is a need to encourage communities in which the national community is the largest relevant society. Socialism means that every person should get his basic living needs met and this is his right as without governments man was free to gather whatever resources he wanted from the natural environment for a million years. No one starved because everything was free in nature. Humans got together with other human beings in the spirit of camaraderie and pooling effort to survive and thrive in nature. It is governments that gave private ownership of land to individuals that has stopped humans enjoying the freedom to do so. So socialism requires small government not large.

In the implementation of socialism one must therefore incorporate in it the individual’s freedom to act and interact without coercion. Socialism must also recognise that prosperity comes from a free market economy in which individuals have that freedom to set up businesses and provide goods and services in accordance with market demand. This will entail coping with competition which promotes efficiency and innovation. Human innovative and pioneering spirit must never be dampened coercively. So socialism does not mean subservience to a state authority that will allocate tasks for the individual members and pay them for their work. Socialism does not require a command economy in which government owns all the means of production in which people are then forced to work and survive under state coercion. Socialism means understanding human mentality and then putting up the appropriate community that optimises the survival of all. It is the opposite of capitalism in which individuals live in isolation of the community with unlimited private ownership, and having no responsibilities for other members and having no social interaction with other members of the state.

Under socialism no human being should have an unfair economic advantage over others so that they start on a level playing field and achieve their biological potentials in life. This means that all children start off with the same facilities. There is therefore a role for government in ensuring that this takes place through taxes including inheritance taxes. The state will then provide basic needs including education and health services.

Green socialism takes this form of human community living further in that it harmonises human activities with the natural environment in terms of what is sustainable and desirable as man shares the planet with other plants and animals, and this has to be done such that future generations can also thrive on the planet. This is because humans care for their children and their grand children as an emotional need. Green socialism makes the planet richer for future generations from austerity now.

What are the components of the austerity of green socialism given the above definition of socialism? The essential requirement of the economics of green socialism in today’s economy is to tax the rich and maintain very high interest rates to reduce credit fuelled consumption and investment as well as promoting savings. The need to consider what we leave behind for future generations is also socialism so that all nations must take steps to erase national debt that will be a burden on them. We have no right to burden future generations with debt from our overconsumption on credit now.

All national governments will be set targets on the level of capital they are required to build up in accordance with the resources of their environment and historically accumulated fluid money. This will be the job of the International Monetary Fund (IMF). No government will be allowed to run a national debt. In this way national government will be storing fluid money for future generations with the IMF in the form of gold.

I do not know how to answer to this, because i have no interest in politics or how it works. I never voted and will never do. Money does not affect me in the same way because if i have little or much does not change my way of living.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
I do not know how to answer to this, because i have no interest in politics or how it works. I never voted and will never do. Money does not affect me in the same way because if i have little or much does not change my way of living.
The geniasses of the world are ignoring it.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
To Atheists.

Some of you who see you self as Atheists seem to have good knowledge about the different religions.
Do you actually study some religious texts to be able to have a good discussion with belivers?
Do you sometimes ask you self, Can some of the spiritual teachings actually be on to something?

Yes, I have studied the religious texts of believers. This is, in part, to better understand believers and what they believe. I've also found that many believers don't know much about their own scriptures.

But I also study the history and archeology surrounding those texts. The texts themselves only give part of the understanding. They also have to be put into context, revealing some of how people thought when they were first assembled. I have also found that most believers don't know much about the history of their own beliefs.

Have I asked myself if 'spiritual teachings' may be on to something? That depends on what you mean. Most of these teachings have some good advice on how to interact well with other people. Looking at the different traditions shows the range of what people consider to be 'good ways' to interact. Philosophy can do the same, by the way.

It is also clear that people have some very dramatic experiences. This runs through all religions and throughout time. So I don't doubt that there are experiences that some people have that are interpreted as spiritual. That said, I tend to see that interpretation as being incorrect.

So, I find religion to be a very interesting aspect of human life. It is clearly one of the big motivators for human action, both positively and negatively. As such, it is good to understand the ideas and the hisotry of those ideas. But do I think they 'are onto something'? Not really.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Yes, I have studied the religious texts of believers. This is, in part, to better understand believers and what they believe. I've also found that many believers don't know much about their own scriptures.

But I also study the history and archeology surrounding those texts. The texts themselves only give part of the understanding. They also have to be put into context, revealing some of how people thought when they were first assembled. I have also found that most believers don't know much about the history of their own beliefs.

Have I asked myself if 'spiritual teachings' may be on to something? That depends on what you mean. Most of these teachings have some good advice on how to interact well with other people. Looking at the different traditions shows the range of what people consider to be 'good ways' to interact. Philosophy can do the same, by the way.

It is also clear that people have some very dramatic experiences. This runs through all religions and throughout time. So I don't doubt that there are experiences that some people have that are interpreted as spiritual. That said, I tend to see that interpretation as being incorrect.

So, I find religion to be a very interesting aspect of human life. It is clearly one of the big motivators for human action, both positively and negatively. As such, it is good to understand the ideas and the hisotry of those ideas. But do I think they 'are onto something'? Not really.
Thank you for your answer :) I find a lot of good in your answer
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Do you intend to marry your partner and have children?
We will marry if she want to, as a buddhist i dont have to marry to live with her for the rest of my life, but i know she wish to marry so that is ok to me.
We can not have children, but that is ok to me and to her
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
We will marry if she want to, as a buddhist i dont have to marry to live with her for the rest of my life, but i know she wish to marry so that is ok to me.
We can not have children, but that is ok to me and to her
If you cannot have children then do not bother to read what I have just posted.
 
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