Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Do you believe the creator, the concious energy/spirit/force is eternal with no beginning or end? And that this force is the universe itself?
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Do you believe in a creator of the universe/universes?
- Thread starter Starlight
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I suppose if we can only go as far as an eternal “energy/spirit/force” as a definition of “creator,” then no.
Yes if you want
Why do you not believe in a creator?
There is no need for a creator, there is no evidence of a creator.
And it is claimed of the 4200 or so gods (excluding Hindu gods) that have been worshipped throughout recorded history and across the world, 3800 of them each created the universe... How does that work?
I'm an animist that believes there's a universal life force or spirit that pervades all that exists. So I do believe that the Cosmos has an intelligence and a consciousness. How it works exactly, I don't know and don't really need to. I just experience it. I call this animating spirit of the Cosmos Odin. When I want a more feminine image of this spirit, I call it Kali.
No, I have no reason to believe this. If such a being does exist, I don't believe man would possess any reliable information about them.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
What if life is a test or we are here to learn? Maybe the creator did not wanted us to know if a creator existed or not? We can not learn if we already know everything
Spiritual intelligents guardians and messengers who represent all the virtues and beauties of God.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
That's an odd question. I can't see a reason presumably because either there aren't any or I've never encountered it/them.
What if elephants could fly? I do not count "what if's" as more than idle speculation. Evidence it what counts to me and there us none to indicate a creator.
Given all the different hypothesis on about his this universe formed, all based either on mathematics or extrapolation from observed phenomena/data not one suggests a creator did it.
And we learn all the time. I may one day learn that i am wrong on this but i considered that an extremely doubtful prophecy
Audie
Veteran Member
It is not reasonable to suppose there must be something even greater than the universe.
And what created th creator, etc
Audie
Veteran Member
What a weird job. It can't just take care of itself?
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I think all religions points to the same concious force/spirit/god. All religions try to understand and describe the concious force/energy/spirit behind the universes.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Why of course?
I guess not. That's just how I understand it.
If you are comfortable with your beliefs then thats good.
But can i ask what were all the religious wars for throughout history if all thought their belief was the same as the guy they were slaughtering?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Of course.
ppp
Well-Known Member
What religions point is the human tendency to anthropomorphize and/or assign agency to non-conscious objects. And to make human actions relevant to such agents.
My answer starts with the proposition that human brains can't understand divinity. But from a human perspective, a working idea is that God alone truly exists and that what appears to us to be creation is God's great dream. Or perhaps God's great mirror.
But better answers than mine are the works of those who I believe have realized the Truth such as Rumi. Works such as his are full of paradoxes and the resolution of paradoxes.
You've heard descriptions
of the ocean of non-existence.
Try, continually, to give yourself
into that ocean. Every workshop
has its foundations set
on that emptiness.
The Master of all masters
works with nothing.
The more nothing comes into your work,
the more God is there.
Dervishes gamble everything. They lose,
and win the Other, the emptiness
which animates this.
We've talked so much! Remember
what we haven't said.
And keep working. Exert yourself
toward the pull of God.
Laziness and disdain are not devotions.
Your efforts will bring a result.
You'll watch the wings of divine attraction
lift from the nest and come toward you!
As dawn lightens, blow out the candle.
Dawn is in your eyes now.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Out of 100 wars, 7 were fought for religious motivations. So you should know that there are many reasons for war.
So even in these "religiously motivated wars", what were the motivations? Maybe its the same as the "Other wars" fought for other reasons, but the reasons were just a communication methodology, not the actual reasons.
So when two want to get to war, they will. One God or a 1000 may it be.