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do you believe in God of Abraham?
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Inasmuch as I believe an any other god.
Because the mind shapes reality.
Because the mind shapes reality.
I believe, because of the Bible and that this world exists as told in the Bible. And I believe Bible, because I see things going as told in the Bible.
I personally do, although I give the right for others not to.
I base it on various factors.
- The common thread of the message that spans millenniums even when some authors didn’t know what other authors had wrtten
- The message that is different, IMV, from all other messages
- The concept presented from beginning to end and the reasons why
- The unfolding of things to come
No more than any presented gods, or other possible scenarios.
Why not? Because to me the reality of what we experience can be explained by what we see, what we can learn, and what we can ever know (or cannot know), and as to such, this doesn't necessitate a creator of any description, although being an agnostic atheist I will admit to not knowing the answer to such a question (how did existence come about), and will allow for such a scenario to exist.
For me, it seems more troublesome to have any particular belief in such things (all that comes with such beliefs), given they do seem to cause so much friction and conflict within human societies and between them, even if we might not subscribe to any particular beliefs that might cause such. And as to all the rest - human behaviour and life's woes, which religions seem to be so deterministic over - this to me is just about the existence of life on Earth and which all non-humans have to endure just the same as us. Why would I consider humans to be that special?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
No.
First of all....
I require reasons to believe something.
I don't require reasons to not believe something when that something fails to meet its burden of proof.
The claims of the god of abraham are extra-ordinary and epicly fail to meet their burden of proof.
What is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Secondly...
Eventhough I don't require a reason to not believe things that fail to meet their burden of proof...
I could also say that the inherent ingredient of "magic" / "supernatural" in abrahamic religion, pretty much automatically bars it from any serious consideration on my part.
Whenever a claim is made that includes magic / supernatural shenannigans... the exact specific content of the claim instantly no longer matters. Merely the inclusion of the aspect of "magic" is already enough for me to dismiss it at face value.
Simply due to the nature of what the magical / supernatural is. Once something is defined as such, we instantly know that there will not be evidence, there will be no verifiability, there will be no falsifiability,... all there is going to be is a bare claim and a request to "just believe it".
We know in advance that there is nothing there of substance.
My God is the God of Love.
Christians interpret the Ancient Testament as a beautiful allegory of the search for a loving and protecting God.
That's how we interpret it.
The Christian God is the God that produces Love and spreads love. Not only for Christians. But also for Non-Christians.
He loves all humanity equally.
And that is why, it doesn't really matter what church or congregation you belong to.
I have found so much love in any Christian denomination. Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Orthodox.
The same kind of unconditioned Love.
So the fact that the Christian God is the God of Love answers your question.
If the God Abraham met is the God of Love, the answer is yes.
Christians interpret the Ancient Testament as a beautiful allegory of the search for a loving and protecting God.
That's how we interpret it.
The Christian God is the God that produces Love and spreads love. Not only for Christians. But also for Non-Christians.
He loves all humanity equally.
And that is why, it doesn't really matter what church or congregation you belong to.
I have found so much love in any Christian denomination. Protestants, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Orthodox.
The same kind of unconditioned Love.
So the fact that the Christian God is the God of Love answers your question.
If the God Abraham met is the God of Love, the answer is yes.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Yes, I believe in the God but not so much as they understood him! The Bible is God being man-splained by Holy men, some more holy than others.
I believe he exists. I don't believe the claims made about him, from either his holy book, or many of his followers.
I respect that some may follow him as their chosen ideal of the Divine. I don't make this my business.
I respect that some may follow him as their chosen ideal of the Divine. I don't make this my business.
No. because He is indistinguishable from being the product of human imagination. And I usually prefer mundane explanations, when assessing the plausibility of a claim.
ciao
- viole
Depends on what is meant by "believe in."
Believe it ontologically exists? Yes, because literally everything clears that extraordinarily trivial bar for me.
Believe it is an extraordinarily impactful theological position in human cultures and societies? Yes, because there's abundant evidence for that.
Believe in as in a component of my own religious traditions and lifeways? Nope, because I'm not an Abrahamic.
Believe in as in trust the guidance of or virtue of? Not really, because I'm not an Abrahamic.
Believe it ontologically exists? Yes, because literally everything clears that extraordinarily trivial bar for me.
Believe it is an extraordinarily impactful theological position in human cultures and societies? Yes, because there's abundant evidence for that.
Believe in as in a component of my own religious traditions and lifeways? Nope, because I'm not an Abrahamic.
Believe in as in trust the guidance of or virtue of? Not really, because I'm not an Abrahamic.
I don't believe the claims made about it by its books or adherents but I assume it has some spiritual reality. However, I believe this thing has had a net negative impact on humanity and so I choose to work against it now.
PureX
Veteran Member
No. I cannot honestly presume to know (believe) if or what God is. All I can do is choose to hope in a God of my own preference and try to live accordingly.
No, I do not. Never did, probably never will.
In all honesty, I can't very well wrap my head around the idea that anyone would.
It is also odd that belief in that family of deities is considered valuable, honorable and desirable.
Dao Hao Now
Active Member
No.
Because there is no reason to believe in it,
and a multitude of reasons not to.
The same reasons I don’t believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, leprechauns, big foot, flying fire breathing dragons, other gods, ghosts and goblins, the devil, unicorns, pixies, vampires (a la Dracula), werewolves, a tooth fairy, etc., etc;
Because it is too easy to trace the literary genesis and evolution of all these creatures of fantasy from folktales and fearful ignorance of past cultures through to the present, yet not a single good reason to believe any of them were derived from factual existence.
Add to that the persistence of hopeful wishes, fear of things beyond human control, and understanding that humans are a social species susceptible to social and cultural conditioning it’s far too easy to see how belief of these things come about.
The surprising thing for me is how, in the modern world of enlightenment and understanding, so many still adhere to some of these beliefs while acknowledging the others to be myths.
All while not being able to recognize that using the same criteria that makes them see the myths for what they are…..myths;
not being able to recognize that the ones they believe are the same sort of thing.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Yes.
To summarize, the God of Abraham is the One God, an unfractured Divine, the Creator. This God cares how we treat each other. You can refer to him as Adonai, Allah, the Great Spirit... it doesn't matter. It's all the same God.
I would assume that a good part of my belief is simply that I grew up believing.
I would also say that much of it is that I sense agency behind the universe.
And some of it is that I believe I interact with God through my conscience.
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ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Not sure the "God of Abraham" is a very well defined concept. There certainly seems to be many, and often very serious, differences in what people mean by it, even amongst those that claim to believe and understand it.
However, my answer is no.
Because I've never seen any good reason to take any (of the many) interpretation of the term at all seriously.
Also some of the interpretations seem to be self-contradictory, and some others (those that make consequential scientific claims) have actually been falsified by evidence.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
I believe in God. I have never given much thought to Abraham, but he probably believed in God too.