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Do you believe in life after Death?

Do you believe in life after death?

  • Yes, life after death starts immediately after death, and only Soul continues to live on.

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Yes, life after death starts at the end of world, when we get resurrected

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • Yes, we will be reincarnated

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • No, death is the end

    Votes: 14 33.3%
  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • Total voters
    42

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I was asking.. who is observing all this ?

By asking which body part ? I was expecting him to answer that it’s soul inside the human body which is observing all this.

Yes, soul is also the part of human body.

So, when you don't get the answer you want to an unanswerable question, you don't see it?

The soul is clearly not part of the material body. Whether something like a soul exists or not is an open question, to me. I, personally, think it does. But nothing like the unsupported assertions religious people often make about the concept. I see no reason to believe that a soul has identity like a human individual does.

I believe that our identity is rather like our free will. An illusion created by our limited perceptions and knowledge.
Tom
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The soul is clearly not part of the material body. Whether something like a soul exists or not is an open question, to me. I, personally, think it does. But nothing like the unsupported assertions religious people often make about the concept. I see no reason to believe that a soul has identity like a human individual does.
Then what do you believe the soul is? o_O
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Maybe this is soul :oops:
 

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chinu

chinu
Whether something like a soul exists or not is an open question
If so, then who is observing all this ?
I asked this question and he wasn’t able to answer anything.

Okay, you tell the answer.

Claim was.. brain observes all human activities done by human.

My question is.. If so, then who observes that brain the observes ?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Then what do you believe the soul is? o_O
It's difficult for me to answer this, for a couple of reasons. The main one is that, when I do, it sounds like a truth claim. But it isn't. I am well and truly agnostic. So, while I have some "beliefs" on the subject, they're entirely Faith. No objective evidence, although I avoid beliefs that contradict what I do have evidence for. To me, Faith is(very broadly speaking) beliefs people hold because they prefer that they are true. As opposed to beliefs people hold due to compelling evidence(proof).

So, what I'm going to describe here is what strikes me as the best plausible explanation for something, which remains a huge mystery. But, I doubt that it's objectively true. Because I'm confident that, being a limited and fallible human being, I do not, maybe cannot, understand the objective Truth on these matters. My views are simply what I prefer to believe.

Anybody else might not prefer them, that's fine with me since I don't expect anybody else to mistake me for an authority on the subject. I don't think anyone is, despite all the claims made by religious folks.

So, all that said.
I believe that humans, all living things, are animated by a "spark of God". Call it a Spirit, a soul, nobody really knows much about it and maybe never will. So it doesn't matter what word symbol we apply. That bit of God, combined with some matter, form a human or organism. When we die, that bit of God separates from our material selves, our meatself, and merges back into God, the Ground of Being.

That bit of God doesn't cease to exist, any more than a raindrop falling into the ocean ceases to exist. But neither will it ever exist again as a separate thing. What ceases to exist is the illusion of separation from God. That raindrop was never really separate from the ocean from which it came, it just seems like a separate body of water due to the limited perceptions of humans. Death is the end of that illusion.

Similarly, our meatself continues on in the vast cycle of transformation that is the material universe. In the short term, say the next couple of billion years, it will nourish other living things. Eventually, it will wind up in the sun, likely being fused into heavier elements before being blasted into space in a supernova.

Death is the end of the illusion of being separate from God. The end of our individual identity, which is a delusion caused by the illusion of separation from God. We won't just see our loved ones, in the limited way we do while experiencing the illusion of separation from God. We'll be part of them and they us and we'll all (from pets to your mom to Hitler to Van Gogh) be part of God.

That's the kind eternity I prefer to believe in.
And it makes far more sense, to me, than any of the other claims I've heard on the subject.
Tom
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
If so, then who is observing all this ?
I don't really understand why you insist on describing all this in terms of a "who". I don't.

Due to language conventions, using words like "what" and "it" to refer to them is considered disrespectful. But those terms are more precise, in my opinion. "Who" refers to sentient beings with individual identity. I cannot believe in a god that limited.
Tom
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It's difficult for me to answer this, for a couple of reasons. The main one is that, when I do, it sounds like a truth claim. But it isn't. I am well and truly agnostic. So, while I have some "beliefs" on the subject, they're entirely Faith. No objective evidence, although I avoid beliefs that contradict what I do have evidence for. To me, Faith is(very broadly speaking) beliefs people hold because they prefer that they are true. As opposed to beliefs people hold due to compelling evidence(proof).

So, what I'm going to describe here is what strikes me as the best plausible explanation for something, which remains a huge mystery. But, I doubt that it's objectively true. Because I'm confident that, being a limited and fallible human being, I do not, maybe cannot, understand the objective Truth on these matters. My views are simply what I prefer to believe.

Anybody else might not prefer them, that's fine with me since I don't expect anybody else to mistake me for an authority on the subject. I don't think anyone is, despite all the claims made by religious folks.

So, all that said.
I believe that humans, all living things, are animated by a "spark of God". Call it a Spirit, a soul, nobody really knows much about it and maybe never will. So it doesn't matter what word symbol we apply. That bit of God, combined with some matter, form a human or organism. When we die, that bit of God separates from our material selves, our meatself, and merges back into God, the Ground of Being.

That bit of God doesn't cease to exist, any more than a raindrop falling into the ocean ceases to exist. But neither will it ever exist again as a separate thing. What ceases to exist is the illusion of separation from God. That raindrop was never really separate from the ocean from which it came, it just seems like a separate body of water due to the limited perceptions of humans. Death is the end of that illusion.

Similarly, our meatself continues on in the vast cycle of transformation that is the material universe. In the short term, say the next couple of billion years, it will nourish other living things. Eventually, it will wind up in the sun, likely being fused into heavier elements before being blasted into space in a supernova.

Death is the end of the illusion of being separate from God. The end of our individual identity, which is a delusion caused by the illusion of separation from God. We won't just see our loved ones, in the limited way we do while experiencing the illusion of separation from God. We'll be part of them and they us and we'll all (from pets to your mom to Hitler to Van Gogh) be part of God.

That's the kind eternity I prefer to believe in.
And it makes far more sense, to me, than any of the other claims I've heard on the subject.
Tom
Thanks for sharing. That sounds very poetic. Some of what you believe is similar to what I believe although some of it is different. One thing that is similar is that I also believe that death is the end of the illusion of being separate from God, although I think it is possible that some people will be separated from God after they die, if they rejected God in this life.

I guess we will all find out what happens in the afterlife someday when we die. Meanwhile I see no reason to argue about it since nobody can prove a belief is true, but it is fun to share our beliefs.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What I see here is a fictional story with a message.
Just because you're rich and secure doesn't mean you're righteous.

Certain presidents might learn from that parable. And many other US Christian folks.
Tom
Whether fictional or true... the message is the same. Not just "you are righteous because you are rich" but also that "prosperity comes with a demand to think of others and not yourself".

Even non-christians could learn from the story. ;)
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I don't believe in a supernatural realm having souls and gods and such.

I don't believe there is anything supernatural about spirits. I believe it is quite natural. As for gods, I believe they have spirits that pass on when they die also and with reincarnation could be walking among us right now.
 
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