Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Lucid dreaming or just remembering dreams?
Maybe you could clearly explain the question you're asking?
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Do you believe it is possible to experience death?
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Lucid dreaming or just remembering dreams?
Maybe you could clearly explain the question you're asking?
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Interesting.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
I don't think the question I asked in the OP requires clarification.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Gambit
Well-Known Member
In that case my answer is "yes".
How is it possible to experience something when you cease to exist?
In Advaita thought true cessation of consciousness is impossible. If you are talking about cessation of consciousness through a physical brain then that happens even during deep sleep.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Yes.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I don't cease to exist while I am dreaming.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
You're contradicting yourself. Which one is it? Is cessation of consciousness possible or not?
Gambit
Well-Known Member
But that is not the question I asked.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Oops, you are correct. I ended up reading one of your posts as if it were part of a certain chain of posts about sleeping/dreaming. My apologies.
It is not possible.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Okay. Then why did you say? "If you are talking about cessation of consciousness through a physical brain then that happens even during deep sleep."
I believe during deep sleep the astral double body separates from the physical body and consciousness is then experienced through the astral body and not the physical body/brain.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
During my very first out-of-body experience I was almost immediately struck by the idea that "This is what it is like to be dead!" It was a fairly triumphant realization, let me tell you. But, yes, via advanced meditation techniques the individual can peel away the layers of fabrication in order to experience the "substance" of formlessness.
(Sorry, it really is one of those "you have to be there" thingies.)However, if you are literally meaning the demise of your current physical form, one may be able to glean tidbits, but overall it will remain unknown till it is fairly imminent.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Okay. So, you really don't believe it is possible to experience death in the sense that death is the cessation of existence. Right?
Gambit
Well-Known Member
I'm not referring to the OBEs or NDEs. I'm asking if it is possible to experience your own cessation of existence
But, yes, via advanced meditation techniques the individual can peel away the layers of fabrication in order to experience the "substance" of formlessness.
So, are you affirming that it is possible to experience the cessation (not sensation) of existence?
This doesn't really change my answer. Philosophically, I don't even believe in death/birth. There's no such thing; death is birth, birth is death; it's all just change and transformation. For something to be created, something else is destroyed and vice versa. And, given everything is constantly changing, all things are always experiencing both of these. There need not be an ego identity for experiences to be happening, much less consciousness... which is where I suspect you're going with this.
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
Of course not. "Experience" is a property of life. Your question is similar to asking is it possible to breath once dead? Is it possible to think once dead? Is it possible to experience anything after (in your words) "the cessation of existence?" How can something that does not exist experience anything?
Indira
Member
Like moving from one room to another. A fearless death is beneficial for moving towards the light of understanding. We do not or can not hide in Bardo, our energy is what it is, it's a karmic process, imo of course.Please explain, I'm no good with these Zen thingies.