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Do you believe the truth is out there and why ?
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K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
I believe the truth is what we essentially are. And discovering this truth is to embark on what is called a spiritual journey.
McBell
Unbound
truth of what?
But "in here" is out there.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
But "in here" is out there.
As soon as I saw that you had responded, I knew what you said before I read it.
whereismynotecard
Treasure Hunter
I love the x-files. We should all go see it together.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
No its not, even if the truth is revealed, there will be those who deny it anyway.
AlexWylde
Just a fool.
Yes, IMO, truth does exist. There are things that are true, but only because we define our language around those things to be what they are, so that truth is inconsequential. (Something like, the sky is blue. Yes, the sky is blue, but it is only blue because that is what we call the color that the sky is. Confusing, maybe, but it is understandable.) I also believe some things to be eternally and intrinsically true. This was a great topic of Plato's (whom I suggest you find some lectures about). Plato believed in the divine truth, and any truth that we uncovered here was given to us divinely.
Do I know what the truth is? Absolutely not. But I can tell you that it is my life goal, not to necessarily discover the truth, but to be in constant search of it. Honestly, that is all I want to do. In any religious/philosophical ideas that I entertain, my entire goal is to find the truth. I have no prejudices as to what the truth should be, and I will take ALL factors into account when weighing the issues and do my best to unbiasedly determine the truth. Even when I have made a decision, I am constantly re-evaluating my conclusion and introducing new evidence.
Take, evolution for instance. Is evolution real? There are two possible answers: Yes and No. One necessarily HAS to be the truth, and the other is consequently false. There is no in between though. Or take God. Does God exist? Two answers. Yes or no. One is the truth, one isn't. So, in this sense, the truth does exist. And it is my quest to find it, as it should be everyone's.
Do I know what the truth is? Absolutely not. But I can tell you that it is my life goal, not to necessarily discover the truth, but to be in constant search of it. Honestly, that is all I want to do. In any religious/philosophical ideas that I entertain, my entire goal is to find the truth. I have no prejudices as to what the truth should be, and I will take ALL factors into account when weighing the issues and do my best to unbiasedly determine the truth. Even when I have made a decision, I am constantly re-evaluating my conclusion and introducing new evidence.
Take, evolution for instance. Is evolution real? There are two possible answers: Yes and No. One necessarily HAS to be the truth, and the other is consequently false. There is no in between though. Or take God. Does God exist? Two answers. Yes or no. One is the truth, one isn't. So, in this sense, the truth does exist. And it is my quest to find it, as it should be everyone's.
What do you mean by "truth"? Just curious.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
I agree, but it seems we need an objective reality in order to have a yardstick. This is where it's getting messy in my head. I believe in an objective reality, but I'm not sure that such belief is mere wishful thinking. The only way I can imagine confronting objective reality is by looking inside. I believe it is to be found there.
The stakes seem high, if I know objective reality I know God. Of course I want to move beyond belief. If I could know your statement to be true I believe I would know God. Know what I mean?
By the way, if this seems a bit spun out - I've been up all night with kids, so I apologise
It seems to me our best yardstick -- our best "reality check" is the accuracy with which a proposition predicts that to which it refers.
Objective reality seems to me a legitimate hypothesis.
I'm not sure I follow you here. Wouldn't "looking inside" still constitute a subjective experience?
But would that sort of knowledge of deity -- even if it were possible -- be in any way more advantageous, or more valuable, than the "mere" experience of deity?
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
It is perhaps possible to transcend personal experience. I can imagine doing so in two ways (a) looking outside (b) looking inside.
My hunch,(and I don't think our hunches are random - I think they are a conscious expression of the unconscious mind where the 'self' resides. I think there is deeper wisdom here,i.e in the unconscious mind than in consciousness) is that what I am looking for is, in my case, perhaps more readily found by looking in rather than looking out.
I think the reason for this may be that while both my mind and the universe are mysteries to me, I am more comfortable working in the mind than with the Universe. Allowing that both are 'in here' even though the universe appears to be 'out there' also makes an examination of the mind less convoluted than an examination of the universe.
There is also the fact that I perceive them as the same and the language of the mind comes more naturally to me than the language of the universe.
No it wouldn't. But, like a mental itch, my mind insists on trying to know it. I think knowledge might flow from experience?
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Question Everything
oldcajun
__BE REAL
Sounds reasonable. I think Winston Churchill agreed.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth,
but most of them pick themselves up
and hurry off as if nothing had happened."... Winston Churchill