Do you buy into the Born again Vigin thing?

[SaintMalachi]

I personally don't I mean once you "Do it" it's done can't be taken back now when a girl or guy gets raped I don't believe it counts because it's not consensual.

 

[Skwim]

Born-again virgin

"An individual can claim to be a born-again virgin if, after having engaged in sexual intercourse, s/he makes a commitment to not be sexually active until marriage (or some other point in the future, or indefinitely). This term has gained some popularity among fundamentalist Christians, who place a strong emphasis upon sexual purity and abstinence from premarital and extramarital relations.
In rare cases, born-again virgin females undergo a hymenorrhaphy to restore their hymen Another option is the Artificial hymen."

Source: wikipedia

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I really don't care what they call themselves or how they consider their virginity. Once someone has had sexual intercourse, no matter what the circumstance may have been, they are no longer a virgin.

vir·gin (vûr

j

n)n.

1. A person who has not experienced sexual intercourse.
2. A chaste or unmarried woman; a maiden.
3. An unmarried woman who has taken religious vows of chastity.
4. Virgin The Virgin Mary.
5. Zoology A female insect or other arthropod that produces fertile eggs without copulating.​

 

[elmarna]

what about virgin olive oil?
then virgin means=not touched by human hands

 

[MissAlice]

No once a person's has intercourse...but then again, people have their own ways of defining virginity. IMO it shouldn't matter as long as the person doesn't cheat on their partner. I really never understood the obsessions of losing one's virginity in religions especially among women. And fyi not every girl is born with a hymen or has a hymen broken through sexual contact. This myth is just as ludicrous as the born again virgin thing. But anyway whatever makes that person happy as long as they aren't shamed for being in a sexual situation they had no control over. I really feel bad for victims who are blamed for another's actions.

 

[Katzpur]

I'm actually not sure what you mean by a born-again virgin, but yes, I do believe in the principle of repentance, if that's what you're getting at.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It's a gimmick used to help sexually-experienced Christians fit in to a group of radically sex-a-phobic evangelical right wing wackos.

 

[Skwim]

It's a gimmick used to help sexually-experienced Christians fit in to a group of radically sex-a-phobic evangelical right wing wackos.

 

[Katzpur]

It's a gimmick used to help sexually-experienced Christians fit in to a group of radically sex-a-phobic evangelical right wing wackos.

Obviously, neither of you see anything wrong with sex before marriage. I'm not surprised that Skwim feels that way, but I am a little bit surprised that angellous does. At any rate, my remarks were directed primarily to people who do. (I don't really think that makes me a radical, sex-a-phobic, evangelical, right-wing wacko, though you may disagree.)

 

[Songbird]

Redonkulous.

 

[Willamena]

I don't buy into the "virgin" thing, nevermind the "born-again virgin" thing.

 

[Nisou Kitsune]

what about virgin olive oil?
then virgin means=not touched by human hands

Im not sure what you are getting at, but I don't like where my mind is going... :run:

To the OP, I agree with Angellous. The pervasiveness of the fear of sex is evident everywhere. Just look at the different phobias regarding sex: Erotophobia, Genophobia, Paraphobia, and to an extent, Homophobia. That doesn't include the two fears of sexual abuse, which is an entirely different topic.

Anyway, the driving force behind the anti-sex and chastity movement is, and has always been, the Big Three. To parallel that is the degradation and servitude of women. Just sayin'.

 

[no-body]

Young people who follow puritanical Christianity get weird about sex because it's their faith vs hormones. That's why you get a lot of technicalities like "it doesn't count if it's the butt/mouth/hand/ear/etc" Yeah like all Jesus really cares about is that the hymen is intact, the spirit of the teachings has nothing to do with it.

And of course such people think premarital sex is permissible but abortion isn't so we get a nice big disaster. I know from others pov this is a good thing but not to me, personally.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Obviously, neither of you see anything wrong with sex before marriage. I'm not surprised that Skwim feels that way, but I am a little bit surprised that angellous does.

I don't get that from what they said. The question of whether a person's a virgin is a question of factual events, not values.

IMO, a "repentant non-virgin" still isn't a virgin. Even if you think that pre-marital sex is a sin, there's a difference between being forgiven of the "sin" and re-writing history so that the "sin" never happened in the first place.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Does not sound much of a club to join
when all the fun things are sins.

 

[Katzpur]

IMO, a "repentant non-virgin" still isn't a virgin. Even if you think that pre-marital sex is a sin, there's a difference between being forgiven of the "sin" and re-writing history so that the "sin" never happened in the first place.

Okay, well if that's what it means to be a born-again virgin, then I agree with you. As I said in my first post, I wasn't quite sure what the term meant.

 

[Sunstone]

What, exactly, is a born again virgin? Is it someone who thinks like a virgin? That is, who has forgotten any impression sex made on them? Is it someone who wishes they were a virgin? Is it someone who refuses to have sex for religious reasons? What is it?

 

[Quiddity]

I don't understand what is gained by even wording it that way? Being part of a faith that condones such a thing, the last thing you want to do is bring attention to the fact that you screwed up. Just ask for forgiveness and move on. Why advertise it?

 

[no-body]

I don't understand what is gained by even wording it that way? Being part of a faith that condones such a thing, the last thing you want to do is bring attention to the fact that you screwed up. Just ask for forgiveness and move on. Why advertise it?

I've noticed in a lot of fundamentalist faiths there is almost a competition to brag about the sinful facts you committed before you where "saved" this could be rooted in the same thing.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

No, I try to avoid buying into pointless, retarded concepts that offer nothing of value.

 

[Skwim]

Obviously, neither of you see anything wrong with sex before marriage. I'm not surprised that Skwim feels that way, but I am a little bit surprised that angellous does.

At any rate, my remarks were directed primarily to people who do. (I don't really think that makes me a radical, sex-a-phobic, evangelical, right-wing wacko, though you may disagree.)

Well, you are correct in that I see nothing wrong with sex before marriage, but that's irrelevant. That you seem to think repenting of having committed a sin (in this case, sex before marriage) negates the fact of the act, seems rather odd. Would a murderer who repented his act no longer have killed anyone?

As the term "born-again virgin" seems to suggest, one could recover their virginity by committing themselves to celibacy until marriage. Think this is how it really works? I don't. Once a murderer always a murderer, and once a non-virgin always a non-virgin. While I don't think all those who have delude themselves are necessarily "radically sex-a-phobic evangelical right wing wackos," I would bet that a good number of them do fit the description. And, yes, as angellous_evangellous said, it is a "gimmick"; "A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick." Such people apparently deceive themselves into thinking they're once again worthy of the label "virgin," which is fine with me. Heck, they can call themselves King Kong if they want, but it's a fool's world they've constructed. It's a true silliness that's kind of sad in a way, but whatever gets you through life I guess.