Do you feel like your designed?

[Twilight Hue]

Given the many diverse functions and processes of the human body, coupled with the fact that there are independently functioning life forms that support and maintain your body as a living organism, do you feel there is any sense of design prevalent enough that would make or cause you to feel that way?

What is it?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Given the many diverse functions and processes of the human body, coupled with the fact that there are independently functioning life forms that support and maintain your body as a living organism, do you feel there is any sense of design prevalent enough that would make or cause you to feel that way?

What is it?

No. I have epilepsy (a seizure disorder) where neurons in the brain misfire spontaneously. It's always a surprise and never pre-planned yet to doctors and to the brain is absolutely normal to have spontaneous activity in the brain for whatever reason. We can find patterns but the reason it's considered an illness is not only how it affects us but how it affects the brain. Not the patterns but the activity itself. We don't know.

Same as cancer, depression, and other forms of illnesses and condition. Same as nature and same as a unpredicted miscarriage.

We need to learn how to deal with there is no design, no purpose in and of itself, and no living eternally to comfort ourselves in the illusion life-our physical bodies-do not die.

Energy (fancy word? spirits) do not die. Energy always exist. It's not designed either hence why neurons go haywire. Yet, why does it need to be designed, divine, or things of that nature?

In and of itself, life doesn't make sense, does it's own thing, and doesn't stop for us just because we take care of it the best we can.

Design? No. I've had seizures all my life. I compare life to seizures. Why would I expect anything more?

 

[Mohsen]

Yes, it is an innate disposition that I am convinced there is a Creator beyond the space/time continuum who created the universe and everything in it. I also believe that empiricism is only 1/3rd of science. And scientists who rely solely on empiricism are only seeing with one eye... they have no depth of perception (this is not the same as depth perception in case you are wondering)!

Peace

 

[SabahTheLoner]

I tend to think of multicellular life forms as robots made of meat. It is possible to design a human, dog or tree part by part. Theoretically we could create a life form by growing organs from stem cells and then create a patchwork of operating organs. Ethics aside, mankind's discoveries of the functional traits of each part of the body, along with surgical advances and inspirations for the field of robotics, proves it is entirely possible to design life forms. We were designed naturally of flesh while metal-and-silicon robots are artificial adaptations, which is the only major difference. Needless to say, in both cases of design, malfunctions and bugs will persist, along with the occasional virus.

 

[Politesse]

I'm not sure what you mean by "sense". How would my emotions be a good guide to whether or not I am designed? It seems like they would be a better guide to what I am feeling at the moment? Intellectually, the existence of natural "laws", consistent and functional in their ability to craft a beautiful universe powerfully suggest to me that a purposeful orienting force is at play. And my body is clearly and demonstrably a product of those same laws. But my feelings seem irrelevant to the question. I could be an android fresh off the press and de-boxed yesterday, and still feel unhappy with my design and what I regard as its flaws provided I was complex enough to host a feeling of malaise.

Indeed, if our universe is a closed system with just one design of which we are a component, it should be impossible to "sense" anything so ontologically self-referential. To what would we compare the sensation? If I am designed, I have never been not-designed, and thus would have no idea what that feels like. Likewise, if I have no design, then I have never known what it felt like to be designed. Do I feel like I am traveling through space at 30km/s at the moment? No, because I don't have a good visual referent, nor any changes of momentum to clue me in.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Given the many diverse functions and processes of the human body, coupled with the fact that there are independently functioning life forms that support and maintain your body as a living organism, do you feel there is any sense of design prevalent enough that would make or cause you to feel that way?

What is it?

This is an interesting question. While I don't believe that there is any sense of design, I'm interested in what those that think that there is have to say on the subject.

I see flaws in humans ranging from chronic disorders to genetic disease resulting in death. IMO, asserting that one was designed would be akin to an admission that the designer is fallible.

 

[Mohsen]

I see flaws in humans ranging from chronic disorders to genetic disease resulting in death. IMO, asserting that one was designed would be akin to an admission that the designer is fallible.

If the designer is God and Pascal's wager proved itself as true. Then this life is only a test. So in that way, you would have to find out after you die, presuming you ain't gonna be just pushing up daisies.

Personally, I believe there is life after death.

Peace

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm not sure what you mean by "sense". How would my emotions be a good guide to whether or not I am designed? It seems like they would be a better guide to what I am feeling at the moment? Intellectually, the existence of natural "laws", consistent and functional in their ability to craft a beautiful universe powerfully suggest to me that a purposeful orienting force is at play. And my body is clearly and demonstrably a product of those same laws. But my feelings seem irrelevant to the question. I could be an android fresh off the press and de-boxed yesterday, and still feel unhappy with my design and what I regard as its flaws provided I was complex enough to host a feeling of malaise.

Many theists go by feelings and emotion to establish a position favoring design. I think the sense of complexity and wonderment contributes to those feelings as opposed to a strictly sterile analytical approach as to how things come about and are made.

 

[Politesse]

Many theists go by feelings and emotion to establish a position favoring design. I think the sense of complexity and wonderment contributes to those feelings as opposed to a strictly sterile analytical approach as to how things come about and are made.

Well, that's true. But though I am sympathetic to the idea of a designed universe, I simply don't see how emotions, fleeting and wonderful things thought they are, could be a useful clue either way.

 

[Mohsen]

Many theists go by feelings and emotion to establish a position favoring design. I think the sense of complexity and wonderment contributes to those feelings as opposed to a strictly sterile analytical approach as to how things come about and are made.

This doesn't explain Anthony Flew and others like him. Your claim is a bit of a stretch!

Peace

 

[Twilight Hue]

This doesn't explain Anthony Flew and others like him. Your claim is a bit of a stretch!

Peace

I don't know much about Anthony Flew other than he's an atheist.

 

[Mohsen]

I don't know much about Anthony Flew other than he's an atheist.

He died believing in God! And that's the point I was trying to put across!!!

Peace

 

[RedDragon94]

Given the many diverse functions and processes of the human body, coupled with the fact that there are independently functioning life forms that support and maintain your body as a living organism, do you feel there is any sense of design prevalent enough that would make or cause you to feel that way?

I do, I have my issues don't get me wrong. But I'm doing okay, it could be worse.

What is it?

I think I'm more like a weed or some sort of other plant, because I'm an organic creation. All of us are.

I tend to think of multicellular life forms as robots made of meat. It is possible to design a human, dog or tree part by part. Theoretically we could create a life form by growing organs from stem cells and then create a patchwork of operating organs. Ethics aside, mankind's discoveries of the functional traits of each part of the body, along with surgical advances and inspirations for the field of robotics, proves it is entirely possible to design life forms. We were designed naturally of flesh while metal-and-silicon robots are artificial adaptations, which is the only major difference. Needless to say, in both cases of design, malfunctions and bugs will persist, along with the occasional virus.

I like the idea that we're machines, but I think the analogy takes away from the fact that man is a part of nature.

 

[metis]

I think there's at least some chance our universe was put together by a Creator or Creators, but I'm far from sure of it. I tend to think that there is "Something" out there based on a set of experiences that I've described before that defies logic and coincidence, but I just don't know what that "Something" is.

Generally speaking, I tend to drift in the direction of Spinoza's and Einstein's thoughts on this if there indeed is a "Something", but I feel safer sticking with what my faith statement says at the bottom of the page.

 

[Mohsen]

I think there's at least some chance our universe was put together by a Creator or Creators, but I'm far from sure of it. I tend to think that there is "Something" out there based on a set of experiences that I've described before that defies logic and coincidence, but I just don't know what that "Something" is.

Generally speaking, I tend to drift in the direction of Spinoza's and Einstein's thoughts on this if there indeed is a "Something", but I feel safer sticking with what my faith statement says at the bottom of the page.

I like this post a lot. What you wrote about coincidence was incidentally quite complimentary to my own experiences in life. Fundamentally, the Hebrews do not entertain the idea of coincidence because they believe (as I do) that it is a false concept, and thus, they have no word for it in the Hebrew Aramaic or even in the Syriac Aramaic. Interesting eh?

Peace

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Many theists go by feelings and emotion to establish a position favoring design. I think the sense of complexity and wonderment contributes to those feelings as opposed to a strictly sterile analytical approach as to how things come about and are made.

I wouldn't say strictly sterile analytical approach, really. The best short term phrase is "it is what it is." But we can make our perception of what we don't and will not understand worth something without adding anything to it that, without us, does not exist as part of nature in and of itself.

 

[sun rise]

Many people have a different idea of what it means for God to be a creator. To me it means that the universe was created with a template, laws of nature, that would lead to human beings. This has been called the "God is who. Evolution is how" perspective. The 'sense of design' for me is consciousness itself.

 

[columbus]

He died believing in God! And that's the point I was trying to put across!!!

Peace

Religious people like to say this a lot, I have noticed.
But it's not especially true.
That gives me yet more evidence concerning religion and truth.
Tom

 

[Mohsen]

Religious people like to say this a lot, I have noticed.
But it's not especially true.
That gives me yet more evidence concerning religion and truth.
Tom

What exactly is not "especially true"???

He died believing in God. He changed his mind in 2003 and died in 2010. It's a fact. I'm not following your "special truth". Please be helpful and clarify in unequivocal terms exactly what you define as "not especially true" thank you Tom.

Peace

 

[YmirGF]

I think there's at least some chance our universe was put together by a Creator or Creators, but I'm far from sure of it. I tend to think that there is "Something" out there based on a set of experiences that I've described before that defies logic and coincidence, but I just don't know what that "Something" is.

Generally speaking, I tend to drift in the direction of Spinoza's and Einstein's thoughts on this if there indeed is a "Something", but I feel safer sticking with what my faith statement says at the bottom of the page.

I'm in a similar position, but having eschewed all notions of man's gods, that is no longer even an option. I certainly won't be changing my mind on this before my body dies. My point is that I sense something on the periphery of my awareness. I don't know what it is. I am not inclined to label it as being god because I am in no position to ascertain if something is a god or not, plus I don't want to enable theists, their lofty suppositions or vaunted assertions. I am happy calling it "unknown reality" and letting it go at that.