Do you find peace in your beliefs?

[Taylor Seraphim]

It is a word that has no concrete definition. It depends on the person not a book.

A word by definition has an objective definition.

 

[MARCELLO]

Absolute peace, no confusion at all, every thing crystal clear - enlightened, nirvana, moksha, deliverance (from all doubts).

How lucky you are.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

A word by definition has an objective definition.

God is not objective and its a word.
Soul is not objective and its a word.

Academic definition of religion is objective.

However, religion is not an objective word. Its personal.

Ancestors are not objective. Their relationship with their kin is personal.
Jesus is not objective. His relationship with Christians is personal.
Magic and the gods to a Pagan is not objective. Their practices and views are personal.

All of these things supernatual or not makes up religion (as per our definitions of the word from dictionaries) and because these traits are personal, it makes religion personal. Its not science.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

God is not objective and its a word.
Soul is not objective and its a word.

Academic definition of religion is objective.

However, religion is not an objective word. Its personal.

Ancestors are not objective. Their relationship with their kin is personal.
Jesus is not objective. His relationship with Christians is personal.
Magic and the gods to a Pagan is not objective. Their practices and views are personal.

All of these things supernatual or not makes up religion (as per our definitions of the word from dictionaries) and because these traits are personal, it makes religion personal. Its not science.

Ok I can tell what is the problem with talking to you.

You think reality is subjective don't you?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ok I can tell what is the problem with talking to you.

You think reality is subjective don't you?

We're talking about peoples definition of a personal word. How each person views reality is different. Some objective others not (even if they say it is). Thats not the point. Atheist and theist both can find peace. Organized religion is not a neessity. Some people live religious livies by taking care of their family; that brings them peace. Others live religious lives by praying to god. Some meditation. Others by their relationship with their pet.

I dont know an objective word for religion since we all define it differently. Its a personal word. A persons life is not written in a dictionary.

I am an atheist, so I do see reality as objective.I also acknowledge that I believe in things that non religious feel doesnt comform to reality. I feel it does. Since not everyone agrees with me, our views fo reality is personal. Try defining reality with everyone agreeing with your definition. Everyone has a "except for me" clause.

Youre trying to define someones personal life that everyone will agree with as two and two is four.

Religion does not work that way.

 

[Corthos]

Hmmm... I don't know if I would use the word "peace" directly. Since becoming Zoroastrian, it's kind of challenged me and lit a fire under my butt to step out of my comfort zone when opportunities present themselves, and to do some good. It's been a positive influence on me, and a great tool for me to use in helping others where I can. As a side effect, this has definitely made me feel at peace with myself more. =)

Also, I've noticed that Gathic Zoroastrianism doesn't conflict with my personal views, or with my conscience; if anything, it encourages me to stay honest/true to myself, and I love that. It's been a very liberating experience for me. =)

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

We're talking about peoples definition of a personal word. How each person views reality is different. Some objective others not (even if they say it is). Thats not the point. Atheist and theist both can find peace. Organized religion is not a neessity. Some people live religious livies by taking care of their family; that brings them peace. Others live religious lives by praying to god. Some meditation. Others by their relationship with their pet.

I dont know an objective word for religion since we all define it differently. Its a personal word. A persons life is not written in a dictionary.

I am an atheist, so I do see reality as objective.I also acknowledge that I believe in things that non religious feel doesnt comform to reality. I feel it does. Since not everyone agrees with me, our views fo reality is personal. Try defining reality with everyone agreeing with your definition. Everyone has a "except for me" clause.

Youre trying to define someones personal life that everyone will agree with as two and two is four.

Religion does not work that way.

Ok just so you know.

Language and the words within it exist so we can effectively communicate, if you want to change what a word means every ****ing post then we cannot communicate.

Are you going to use standard English so we can communicate or not?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ok just so you know.

Language and the words within it exist so we can effectively communicate, if you want to change what a word means every ****ing post then we cannot communicate.

Are you going to use standard English so we can communicate or not?

Dont insult my intellegence.

You gave me the definition of the word religion.

Im telling you that our religions (our lifestyles) are not defined by a dictionary.

Youre saying that all words are objective.

Im asking you to ask four different people who god is, youll get multiple definitions. Its a personal word.

Youre telling me that religion only has one defintion.

There are millions of people who view reality differently. If you cant accept that and the personal relationship people have with their god,self, spirits, to family, family pet, and hiking, then how will you understanda word Im saying?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Dont insult my intellegence.

This has nothing to do with lack of intelligence, on the contrary I think you have a lot of intelligence.

You gave me the definition of the word religion.

Im telling you that our religions (our lifestyles) are not defined by a dictionary.

No I am saying what qualifies to be designated as the word religion has to fit the definition of the word religion.

Youre saying that all words are objective.

YES I AM, and that is the entire reason for words existing otherwise language is useless.

Im asking you to ask four different people who god is, youll get multiple definitions. Its a personal word.

Perhaps that is because not everyone knows what the word actually means.

Youre telling me that religion only has one defintion.

No it has three definitions.

There are millions of people who view reality differently. If you cant accept that and the personal relationship people have with their god,self, spirits, to family, family pet, and hiking, then how will you understanda word Im saying?

Yes there are millions of views of reality, but there is still only one reality.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This has nothing to do with lack of intelligence, on the contrary I think you have a lot of intelligence.



No I am saying what qualifies to be designated as the word religion has to fit the definition of the word religion.



YES I AM, and that is the entire reason for words existing otherwise language is useless.



Perhaps that is because not everyone knows what the word actually means.



No it has three definitions.



Yes there are millions of views of reality, but there is still only one reality.

The only thing I agree with is there is one reality. Buddhism (a religion) is a way to understand this reality or nature of life. The Buddha did not incorpoate gods of India into understanding the nature of life (reality). My point: Yet, Buddhism Is a religion.

Youre thinking that religion should have all the traits listed in our definitions (the ones we posted from two different dictionary). Actually, I tried looking up religion and I got more than one definition from dictionaries. It doesnt work.

Here is a interesting site. I glanced over it. It looks like a good read: http://atheism.about.com/od/religiondefinition/a/definition.htm especially further in the middle.

Anyway, you are looking at religion as if its like we are debating about what a chair is. If you look all over RF, youll see there are different opinions (yours too) how how we view or define reality. I know its one reality but no one I know has reached enlightenment to proove whats in that one reality does not involve culture and beliefs (religion) people use to live in it.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Youre thinking that religion should have all the traits listed in our definitions (the ones we posted from two different dictionary). Actually, I tried looking up religion and I got more than one definition from dictionaries. It doesnt work.

No I am saying it must have ONE of the traits listed.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Taylor Seraphim

Since religion is a broad and personal word, there are many definitions (as you said there are already three) that make up how people define and live reality. On that website, this is more of a general definition. It takes out the Abrahamic bias that religion must have gods in order for it to be a religion

• Belief in something sacred (for example, gods or other supernatural beings).
• A distinction between sacred and profane spaces and/or objects.
• Ritual acts focused on sacred spaces and/or objects.
• A moral code believed to have a sacred or supernatural basis.
• Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred spaces and/or objects and during the practice of ritual which is focused on sacred spaces, objects, or beings.
• Prayer and other forms of communication with the supernatural. (Some. Buddhist pray too)
• A worldview, ideology, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of individuals therein which contains a description of an overall purpose or point of the world and how individuals fit into it.
• A more or less complete organization of one's life based on this worldview.
• A social group bound together by and around the above.

This is the definition of religion used on this website and one which I encourage others to use. It describes religious systems but not non-religious systems. It encompasses the features common in belief systems generally acknowledged as religions without focusing on specific characteristics unique to just a few.

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[Unveiled Artist]

No I am saying it must have ONE of the traits listed.

That trait does not not need to be supernatual.

Thats why atheists can find peace in religion. They just need that one trait in order to live a lifestyle that brings them peace.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

@Taylor Seraphim

Since religion is a broad and personal word, there are many definitions (as you said there are already three) that make up how people define and live reality. On that website, this is more of a general definition. It takes out the Abrahamic bias that religion must have gods in order for it to be a religion

• Belief in something sacred (for example, gods or other supernatural beings).
• A distinction between sacred and profane spaces and/or objects.
• Ritual acts focused on sacred spaces and/or objects.
• A moral code believed to have a sacred or supernatural basis.
• Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred spaces and/or objects and during the practice of ritual which is focused on sacred spaces, objects, or beings.
• Prayer and other forms of communication with the supernatural. (Some. Buddhist pray too)
• A worldview, ideology, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of individuals therein which contains a description of an overall purpose or point of the world and how individuals fit into it.
• A more or less complete organization of one's life based on this worldview.
• A social group bound together by and around the above.

This is the definition of religion used on this website and one which I encourage others to use. It describes religious systems but not non-religious systems. It encompasses the features common in belief systems generally acknowledged as religions without focusing on specific characteristics unique to just a few.

You earlier stated that we are all religious in some sense but none of these definitions apply to me, therefore even by your definitions you are incorrect.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You earlier stated that we are all religious in some sense but none of these definitions apply to me, therefore even by your definitions you are incorrect.

What do you do to find peace in life?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

That trait does not not need to be supernatual.

Thats why atheists can find peace in religion. They just need that one trait in order to live a lifestyle that brings them peace.

NO it does not, after all Buddhist are religious atheist. BUT you claim everyone is religious and that is false.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

What do you do to find peace in life?

I do not find peace in life.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I do not find peace in life.

What do you do that motivates you to stay alive?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Taylor Seraphim

What motivates you to stay alive?

Do you have a pursuit or interest to which someone (say family, yourself, strangers, pets, nature) ascribes supreme importance.'?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

@Taylor Seraphim

What motivates you to stay alive?

Do you have a pursuit or interest to which someone (say family, yourself, strangers, pets, nature) ascribes supreme importance.'?

No single thing motivates me to stay alive, it is a plethora of things, if you stay alive for only one reason I am scared for your life.

No, there are several things important to me but none of them are supremely important.