Do you find peace in your beliefs?

[Unveiled Artist]

Since we are having a discussion on whether or not I am under the word "Religious" then we are going to be getting hung up on words due to the very nature of our discussion.

And as I do not fit the definition can we both agree that I am not religious?

Please look at post 87

"No need this argument will be ending with you realizing this mistake in my new post or me realizing you are hopeless and leaving you be."

Please dont refer to me as hopeless. I understand you dont agree you are religious. Im not trying to change how you identify yourself. To me it does not make sense. Its like (to me) saying "I am not religious but I believe in kindness and bravery ans I practice it by (cant remember exact words) helping others etc". Theist do this as welll as atheists. Many theist use "organized" religion to do so. In this case Im not talking about organized. Just wondering what you value and how you put those values (plural) to action. Its your choice to call it anything you like. Im not you. To me thats religion.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

By wisdom, I mean knowledge that is gained by having many experiences in life.

Ah, what experience led you to this revelation?

 

[arthra]

I'd say most humans yearn for peace...peace within one's self, one's life, with others. When I was an atheist, it's not that I lacked a sense of peace in my life, but *something* seemed to be missing. I couldn't ever put my finger on it really, and so I searched for meaning in other faiths and belief systems. Coming back to Christianity, I've had a sense of peace over these past few months that had been missing. To me, you have found the 'right' path for want of a better word, if you are at peace in your life. If you are truly content with who you are, and how you are living...then you have found a path that works for you.

So, do you find peace in your beliefs? Atheists are always welcome to answer, for even though you may not hold spiritual or religious beliefs, you believe something. Look forward to your responses.

Great question Deidre! I've been a Baha'i most of my life and found it to be spiritually as well as socially exactamente meeting our needs.. I say "our" because my family ... my wife and adult children are Baha'is. The Civil Rights movement as well as the peace movement led me to the Faith.
The love of the community also goes back over decades where I live to 1940's. I've met Hands of the Cause appointed by Shoghi Effendi and travelled on pilgrimage to the Holy Land. My wife went to the dedication of the Panama House of Worship back in the seventies.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Please look st post 87

No need this argument will be ending with you realizing this mistake in my new post or me realizing you are hopeless and leaving you be.

Please dont refer to me as hopeless. I understans you dont agree you are religious. Im not trying to change how you identify yourself. To me it does not make sense. Its like (to me) saying "I am not religious but I believe in kindness ans bravery ans I practice it by (cant remember exact words) helping others etc". Theist do this as welll as atheists. Many theisf use "organized" religion to do so. In this case Im not talking about organized. Just wondering what you value and how you put those values (plural) to action. Its your choice to call it anything you like. Im not you. To me thats religion.

You are trying to tell me that believing a an invisible man in the sky and being ethical should both be under the same word which is ridiculous and I will not accept it. In fact I consider it slander to call me religious, speaking of slander did you read my post?

That is not what I said.

I am saying if you continue to do that It will be impossible to communicate effectively.

Please restrain from slandering me in the future.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You are trying to tell me that believing a an invisible man in the sky and being ethical should both be under the same word which is ridiculous and I will not accept it. In fact I consider it slander to call me religious, speaking of slander did you read my post?

Not all religions are supernatual. Not all religious need to be organized.

Thats why this word religion is an issue to most. They associate it with supernatual. Religion is a personal word. It is defined by the person not by a book. If you define religion with gods in it, then by all means you arent religious.

Many religions dont believe in the supernatual. So saying they do (person in the sky) is a huge generalization.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Not all religions are supernatual. Not all religious need to be organized.

Thats why this word religion is an issue to most. They associate it with supernatual. Religion is a personal word. It is defined by the person not by a book. If you define religion with gods in it, then by all means you arent religious.

Many religions dont believe in the supernatual. So saying they do (person in the sky) is a huge generalization.

Not everyone thinks that language is something you can bend to your will.

I didn't say all religions do, stop slandering me PLEASE!

 

[Covellite]

So, do you find peace in your beliefs? Atheists are always welcome to answer, for even though you may not hold spiritual or religious beliefs, you believe something. Look forward to your responses

I didn't have much choice to become atheist or to hold on one religion. Since my early age I had visions. While I was a teenager astral projections were part of my everyday life. So, my experiences shaped my beliefs and I don't feel I fit in any particular religion, even I highly respect almost every religion and atheism, too. My beliefs never gave me some peace. Still, I wouldn't change a thing if I could.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I didn't have much choice to become atheist or to hold on one religion. Since my early age I had visions. While I was a teenager astral projections were part of my everyday life. So, my experiences shaped my beliefs and I don't feel I fit in any particular religion, even I highly respect almost every religion and atheism, too. My beliefs never gave me some peace. Still, I wouldn't change a thing if I could.

Um.....

Im not saying you are...

But these are common symptoms of type 1 schizophrenia...

If it is all the same to you, could you check with a psychologist or psychiatrist, if nothing else it would put my mind at ease....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not everyone thinks that language is something you can bend to your will.

I didn't say all religions do, stop slandering me PLEASE!

I did not say you did. I have no mysteries behind what I say. No hidden points. If you are insulted, ask for clarification.

In general (not saying you), not all religions are supernatual. So to define religion as a trait of believing an invisibme man in the sky (that I can quote) is a huge generalization to religions who dont hold that belief.

Since there are many non supernatual religions (Im not saying you dont know this), why would I think an atheist (not you) is not religious and a theist (say a christian) is?

Ask for clarification. Its hard to discuss (to anyone) if I have to keep saying "Im not talking about you"

 

[RRex]

Do you find peace in your beliefs?

None whatsoever. There are too many questions.

 

[Covellite]

But these are common symptoms of type 1 schizophrenia...
If it is all the same to you, could you check with a psychologist or psychiatrist, if nothing else it would put my mind at ease....

Sure, I spent a lot of time with psychologist and psychiatrist (from time to time, I'm almost 47 y.o.). One of the topics were my "experiences". Non one of them gave me any major diagnose. They said that I have mild depression and anxiety and that some phenomenons like I use to have are not so rare.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sure, I spent a lot of time with psychologist and psychiatrist (from time to time, I'm almost 47 y.o.). One of the topics were my "experiences". Non one of them gave me any major diagnose. They said that I have mild depression and anxiety and that some phenomenons like I use to have are not so rare.

No, those things are very common and don't mean you're mentally ill.

 

[Covellite]

No, those things are very common and don't mean you're mentally ill.

Yes, that's what they told me. Since I am fully functional, rational, intelligent and normal person - definitely no need for medications.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'd say most humans yearn for peace...peace within one's self, one's life, with others. When I was an atheist, it's not that I lacked a sense of peace in my life, but *something* seemed to be missing. I couldn't ever put my finger on it really, and so I searched for meaning in other faiths and belief systems. Coming back to Christianity, I've had a sense of peace over these past few months that had been missing. To me, you have found the 'right' path for want of a better word, if you are at peace in your life. If you are truly content with who you are, and how you are living...then you have found a path that works for you.

So, do you find peace in your beliefs? Atheists are always welcome to answer, for even though you may not hold spiritual or religious beliefs, you believe something. Look forward to your responses.

Peace isn't really something I think of as a central or primary "goal" in my religion, at least as I practice it. Frith, sure, but not peace.

 

[Nietzsche]

You're making the assumption that everyone is looking for peace. Not everyone is interested in that.

 

[Sunstone]

Peace isn't what I look for in beliefs. Accuracy is.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Peace isn't what I look for in beliefs. Accuracy is.

Once you know its accurate, then they become facts. You find peace in facts rather than beliefs?

 

[Sunstone]

Once you know its accurate, then they become facts. You find peace in facts rather than beliefs?

Facts. Beliefs. Whatever you want to call ideas are only foolishly assessed according to whether belief in them brings us peace, in my opinion. Foolishly, because to build your understanding on that basis is like building your house on sand. What do you do when the truth comes and demolishes your notions? Do you just cling to your peace-giving, but false beliefs, denying reality like a child?

 

[Deidre]

Peace isn't what I look for in beliefs. Accuracy is.

Well, not necessarily in beliefs...but in your life. How do you define peace in your everyday life?

 

[Deidre]

You're making the assumption that everyone is looking for peace. Not everyone is interested in that.

Everyone's definition of peace may differ, but everyone seeks it. Yea, I believe they do.