Unveiled Artist
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Im just realizing this is in Comparative religions. @Taylor Seraphim if you want to make a separate thread, we can do that?
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Do you find peace in your beliefs?
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I may sound sectarian here, but i am talking here about Shia Muslims:
Only in certain exceptional situation, such as when the believer is asking -without knowing- for something that will harm him rather than benefit him, the prayers are answered.
And even in the above mentioned exceptional situations God will compensate the believer for these unanswered prayers.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
No the three traits are:
(1): The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Which I am not as I do not believe in a superhuman controlling power and do not worship anything.
(2): A particular system of faith and worship.
Which I am not since I do not have any faith and do not worship anything.
(3): A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
Which I am not because I do not have any pursuits or interests that I give supreme importance.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
No need this argument will be ending with you realizing this mistake in my new post or me realizing you are hopeless and leaving you be.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Care to run a scientific test of this assertion?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Number three, I assume that you hold someone (a human or pet) as important enough to base your life on--say your husband or wife...your children....yourself
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
How is that practing kindness? We have different opinions that doesnt make you ignorant and that doesnt make me hopeless. It just means we differ.
Id like to understand why you think the way you do as for RF is for....but not everyone does likewise. They like to debate rather than learn.
Hundreds of Millions have seen this themselves.
With unlimited numbers of confirmed registered miracles..
But for those who would believe that "Chance Plus Time can create this great universe" there is no scientific proof that they will accept...
The Arab disbelievers asked prophet Muhammad to show them miracles, and after they have seen them themselves they said that they were influenced by Muhammad's magic...
So, no proof ever is enough to persuade those who decided never to believe!
Native
Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Definition of “Religion” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio
Quote: “The classical explanation of the word, traced to Cicero himself, derives it from re- (again) + lego in the sense of "choose", "go over again" or "consider carefully". Modern scholars such as Tom Harpur and Joseph Campbell favor the derivation from ligo "bind, connect", probably from a prefixed re-ligare, i.e. re- (again) + ligare or "to reconnect," which was made prominent by St. Augustine, following the interpretation of Lactantius.
The problem with these etymologies, regardless of whether one favours lego or ligo, is that the now-familiar prefix re- "again" is not attested prior to its occurrence in religio and is itself in need of an etymological explanation”.
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I think we maybe can agree on the definition of “re-ligio” that it means a “two way connection” i.e. to be in connection with “the inner and the outer spirit” or the connection of the inner self to the outer and greater self.
- I find a great satisfaction to study all the ancient and native cultures and have great joy of reading of their statement of “all things connectedness” and of “the spirit in everything”.
In my mind, the native perception of religion in all its simplicity is superior because it is NATURE itself which provides everything what is needed for individuals and their social groups.
Best Wishes
Ivar
Quote: “The classical explanation of the word, traced to Cicero himself, derives it from re- (again) + lego in the sense of "choose", "go over again" or "consider carefully". Modern scholars such as Tom Harpur and Joseph Campbell favor the derivation from ligo "bind, connect", probably from a prefixed re-ligare, i.e. re- (again) + ligare or "to reconnect," which was made prominent by St. Augustine, following the interpretation of Lactantius.
The problem with these etymologies, regardless of whether one favours lego or ligo, is that the now-familiar prefix re- "again" is not attested prior to its occurrence in religio and is itself in need of an etymological explanation”.
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I think we maybe can agree on the definition of “re-ligio” that it means a “two way connection” i.e. to be in connection with “the inner and the outer spirit” or the connection of the inner self to the outer and greater self.
- I find a great satisfaction to study all the ancient and native cultures and have great joy of reading of their statement of “all things connectedness” and of “the spirit in everything”.
In my mind, the native perception of religion in all its simplicity is superior because it is NATURE itself which provides everything what is needed for individuals and their social groups.
Best Wishes
Ivar
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Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
No, none of these are.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Non of this is recorded by reputable sources.
If all of this is true then surely you have no problem with me scientifically testing this.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
If you will twist a word to whatever you want at any time then that means that we cannot converse as I will be unable to understand you.
SSDSSDSSD3
The Great Sea Under!
I'm a Sikh and I do feel peace whenever I try following the message of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji; however, peace is usually a generic term that most don't know what it means. The message of Sikhi is something extraordinary that it seems logical, (I'm an analytical thinker, I have difficulty choosing between many things). I hope as I grow as a Sikh I become a better human being.I'd say most humans yearn for peace...peace within one's self, one's life, with others. When I was an atheist, it's not that I lacked a sense of peace in my life, but *something* seemed to be missing. I couldn't ever put my finger on it really, and so I searched for meaning in other faiths and belief systems. Coming back to Christianity, I've had a sense of peace over these past few months that had been missing. To me, you have found the 'right' path for want of a better word, if you are at peace in your life. If you are truly content with who you are, and how you are living...then you have found a path that works for you.
So, do you find peace in your beliefs? Atheists are always welcome to answer, for even though you may not hold spiritual or religious beliefs, you believe something. Look forward to your responses.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I'd say most humans yearn for peace...peace within one's self, one's life, with others. When I was an atheist, it's not that I lacked a sense of peace in my life, but *something* seemed to be missing. I couldn't ever put my finger on it really, and so I searched for meaning in other faiths and belief systems. Coming back to Christianity, I've had a sense of peace over these past few months that had been missing. To me, you have found the 'right' path for want of a better word, if you are at peace in your life. If you are truly content with who you are, and how you are living...then you have found a path that works for you.
So, do you find peace in your beliefs? Atheists are always welcome to answer, for even though you may not hold spiritual or religious beliefs, you believe something. Look forward to your responses.
Athesits often emphasize that atheism is a /lack/, of belief. This is really a arguing point with atheists. Here, you seem to aknowledge that they do have a position/s/. Does this vary with the day of the week?
Everyone has beliefs of some type, they aren't necessarily spiritual in nature, is what I meant.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Fair enough. I think I was thinking the other, because, the thread is in 'Comparative Religion', DIR.
I have made the argument that atheism is./often is. a religion.
Fair enough. I think I was thinking the other, because, the thread is in 'Comparative Religion', DIR.
I have made the argument that atheism is/often is a religion, a religion.
lol Yea, it is more about beliefs, as to what brings people peace. Not necessarily religion, per se. Beliefs can be religious, but they can be any type of belief system that brings a person peace.
Not sure why I placed the thread here, maybe philosophy would have been a better section.
Vedic
Member
interesting... i am feeling more Happy, Powerful , Strong after i started following Vedic Dharma.
maybe because most of vedic gods are war and nature Gods.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Why do you live? (Taking religious jargon out since thats kinda tripping you up)
Atheist can have the same peace of mind as theist. If you dont have peace, dont depend on anything or anyone or self to be happy, what is there left?
You dont have to find the purpose of the universe to find peace in loving life ans yourself at the most supreme importance.
Religion is a tarnished word. If we shines it atheisrt and some christian denomni may see it different.