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Do You Support Forgiving $10,000 Of Student Loan Debt?

Do you support Biden's plan to forgive $10,000 of student debt

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 61.0%
  • No

    Votes: 11 26.8%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • Total voters
    41

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Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Is that not a problem with public education and parents?
Yes and no. They spend so much time at school and other things they are concentrating their efforts elsewhere, and parents these days aren't known for their culinary skill either, tbh.
 

Suave

Simulated character
You think it is moral to have me pay for my college, my kids college and your college too while paying more for goods due to the increase in inflation caused by this policy? Basically all you are saying is that now you will have more money to buy stuff for yourself now that others have paid for some of your debt.
I had the hardship of working my way through college enabling me to pay back my student loans. We should not expect our children's generation having such burdensome student loan debt, they being college educated might very well enrich most everybody,
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I voted "Unsure," which I'll bet a lot of members think odd for me.

The problem is, I hold two separate and unrelated views that conflict here.

I think that in the modern world, technological world education is so important that it ought to be considered indispensible, like healthcare, and paid for for all who want out of general tax revenues. On that basis, one would think I'd vote in favour of Biden's plan.

But, I also think we should honour those contracts that we have bound ourselves to. If I borrow money to buy a car, a house, or an education (since the government is paying for it yet), then I am responsible to pay that money back, and I think that I should do exactly that.
 

Suave

Simulated character
I voted "Unsure," which I'll bet a lot of members think odd for me.

The problem is, I hold two separate and unrelated views that conflict here.

I think that in the modern world, technological world education is so important that it ought to be considered indispensible, like healthcare, and paid for for all who want out of general tax revenues. On that basis, one would think I'd vote in favour of Biden's plan.

But, I also think we should honour those contracts that we have bound ourselves to. If I borrow money to buy a car, a house, or an education (since the government is paying for it yet), then I am responsible to pay that money back, and I think that I should do exactly that.
Please let us regard student loan debt forgiveness as being fair social justice, because there should have been tuition free college in the first place.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
So basicaly Biden is saying that if you or your family paid off a student loan that they were stupid,
So you think the program should include retroactive reimbursement for people who paid off their student loans already?

I'd be down with that.

that U.S. taxpayers have to pay for someone who signed a contract and if they meet the requirements will have part of what they agreed to pay forgiven.
Sure, if there's overall societal benefit is there.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Please let us regard student loan debt forgiveness as being fair social justice, because there should have been tuition free college in the first place.
I tend to try to stay away from deciding what "is" from what "should have been." It's not that I disagree with what you've said, it's that I think it is dangerous to suppose that we can ask today's taxpayers to pay for all the ills of the past.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Please let us regard student loan debt forgiveness as being fair social justice, because there should have been tuition free college in the first place.
If Biden really wanted to do a favor, he would have addressed the astronomical interest rates and the price gouging of student's sky high tuition costs by colleges and universities.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The rich aren't even benefiting from this, except other rich people who will get that money instead of Sally Mae because it's more money more people have to spread around.
Of course some rich are indeed benefiting from this! The wealthy owners of the colleges and universities are. But that is even beyond the point. I wrote a special interest group is benefiting. And that is morally wrong, fiscally unsound, and rank abuse. President Biden and the leftists who support this malfeasance should be held to account for this theft.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Of course some rich are indeed benefiting from this! The wealthy owners of the colleges and universities are. But that is even beyond the point. I wrote a special interest group is benefiting. And that is morally wrong, fiscally unsound, and rank abuse. President Biden and the leftists who support this malfeasance should be held to account for this theft.
Evidence and supporting claims or it's all hot air.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I think this is good for this thread.
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Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Pffft... My family will get ten thousand dollars of student loan debt cancellation for my daughter's college education, and I would hardly consider myself as being a rich college plutocrat; albeit, me being considered as a semi-wealthy college educated partial plutocrat might not be too far off the mark. ,,,:)
Am I supposed to be impressed because you took money from others who are probably even less affluent than you? I’m not. Taking public funds to benefit a special interest group is mean spirited and morally wrong. Shame on you for going along with it. You and yours assumed the debt. Taking other people’s money to pay for it is shameful.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Evidence and supporting claims or it's all hot air.
Harvard has an endowment of over $53,000,000,000. It will be a beneficiary of the debt transfer. (Transfer, not forgiveness) Taxpayers will share this transferred debt. Including low income earners. Shame on you or anyone else for supporting this immoral taking of wealth.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Harvard has an endowment of over $53,000,000,000. It will be a beneficiary of the debt transfer. (Transfer, not forgiveness) Taxpayers will share this transferred debt. Including low income earners. Shame on you or anyone else for supporting this immoral taking of wealth.
No links, no sources, but a nasty moral judgement on character.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Trump tax cuts in 2017 have not helped America reduce the deficit, so more investment in education or infrastructure has been contentious.
As a matter of fact, it increased the deficit more than any other bill passed in all of American history.

Shhhhhhh-- you see, the Pubs only cry "deficit!" when the Dems do it. Don't tell them that, OK?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No links, no sources, but a nasty moral judgement on character.
Please give your rationalization “justification” for stealing taking money from complete strangers for your own selfish benefit. Please, go ahead.
 
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