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Do you tell children that Santa is real?

Nerthus

Wanderlust
There has been a lot of discussion on whether telling a child that Santa is real is a horrible thing to do and you shouldn't lie to your children. I know a lot of Christians don't want their children believing in Santa, but I see no problem with it. I believed in him and it did me no harm, I didn't find out the truth and wonder why my parents lied to me - I see it as a magical part of Christmas and being a child, but it doesn't have to take over the true meaning of Christmas. I know churches who include Santa, but also explain it isn't about wanting everything for yourself.

What do you guys tell your children?
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
My Parents were divided.

Mom-yes
Dad- no to lies

In 5th grade they laughed at me when I was still talking about it.

What to raise a believer who trusts the things their parents say. Guess they didn't do a great job of telling me why they chose to lie about it.

I think there was some longer lasting effects of this w/ belief, trust and questioning.

Now that I'm older I think that tact could have went a long way.

:namaste
SageTree
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There has been a lot of discussion on whether telling a child that Santa is real is a horrible thing to do and you shouldn't lie to your children. I know a lot of Christians don't want their children believing in Santa, but I see no problem with it. I believed in him and it did me no harm, I didn't find out the truth and wonder why my parents lied to me - I see it as a magical part of Christmas and being a child, but it doesn't have to take over the true meaning of Christmas. I know churches who include Santa, but also explain it isn't about wanting everything for yourself.

What do you guys tell your children?

Almost nothing about Christmas has anything to do with the Bible. Certainly lying to your children about a mythical santa claus causes harm. I remember crying when my mother finally told me there was no santa claus, after telling me for years that there was. I kept saying "But you lied to me." She finally got mad and hit me, I guess for calling her a liar. Examining the origins of Christmas convinced me I should not celebrate this day and I feel greatly relieved not to be part of it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I never told my kids that Santa was real.
As for other people's kids, I don't burst bubbles.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
There has been a lot of discussion on whether telling a child that Santa is real is a horrible thing to do and you shouldn't lie to your children. I know a lot of Christians don't want their children believing in Santa, but I see no problem with it. I believed in him and it did me no harm, I didn't find out the truth and wonder why my parents lied to me - I see it as a magical part of Christmas and being a child, but it doesn't have to take over the true meaning of Christmas. I know churches who include Santa, but also explain it isn't about wanting everything for yourself.

What do you guys tell your children?

I agree with you about the magical moments of Christmas and have no qualms with my kids believing in Santa if that's what they want to do but I don't encourage the belief.

My youngest is at the age where I figured out that Santa was my Mom and I'll be honest, Christmas meant so much more to me after I learned that. We weren't hurting for money but didn't always have an abundance of extra funds around the holidays to have glam ordeals like some of my friends did. My parents always did something amazing for us and knowing that all of that wonder around the tree was a result of their love and creativity made it all the more special.

Love is the magic of the holidays. Nothing is better than being with the people you love and giving back not just during this stretch of warm and fuzzy time but year round because there's always need.
 
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Crosis

Member
My wife is cathlic and im agnostic i dont believe in lying to my daughter at all. she ask me if i believe in god i tell her no same thing with santa. then i tell her it dosent matter what i beleive in. that is up to her.

rusra02 Almost nothing about Christmas has anything to do with the Bible.

Wow you are mistaken the birth of jesus has nothing to do with the bible. o ok
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I'm not telling my son. Part of it, my wife doesn't want to lie to him. For me, I don't want some imaginary character getting all the love for giving my child presents. I want him to know that his mom and dad love him, and that's why he's getting presents. Not because some guy thought he was nice.
 

Nerthus

Wanderlust
Certainly lying to your children about a mythical santa claus causes harm. I remember crying when my mother finally told me there was no santa claus, after telling me for years that there was. I kept saying "But you lied to me." She finally got mad and hit me, I guess for calling her a liar. Examining the origins of Christmas convinced me I should not celebrate this day and I feel greatly relieved not to be part of it.

It did me no harm. I just think of it as being a child, and it being something special. Now, I don't hate my parents for lying and no harm has been done to me.
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
My kids are too young to understand santa claus or christmas right now, but me and my wife have had heated arguments over this. She wants to do everything in her power to ensure they believe in santa claus for as long as possible, but I don't want to lie to them or encourage belief without reason.

We eventually came to a compromise where she will encourage belief in santa claus but if they ever pose questions about how it is possible I will just say "I don't know" and help them figure out on thier own that it is a myth.

It is almost better this way because it is a great opportunity to teach valuable critical thinking skills and learn that sometimes people really believe in things that are not true even when there is no reason to believe in them. I'm hoping they get the same sense of discovery I got when I figured out santa claus wasn't real, only they won't get punished for letting people know the good knews of that discovery.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I assume all of you against this 'horrible, evil, corrupting, LIE of Santa Claus' abstain from all books of fiction - [meaning events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary and invented by its author(s) - would this include religious works as well?] as well as abstaining from all non-documentary film?
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
I assume all of you against this 'horrible, evil, corrupting, LIE of Santa Claus' abstain from all books of fiction - [meaning events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary and invented by its author(s) - would this include religious works as well?] as well as abstaining from all non-documentary film?


Reading a story that isn't real and encouraging belief in something you know not to be real are not the same. But, if a book or movie was released that was known to be fictiocious but was being touted as fact or truth then I would be just as against it as I am about santa claus.
 

Nerthus

Wanderlust
I think I would actually be a little disappointed now if my parents hadn't let me believe in Santa. I don't regret having waited for him each Christmas Eve. It hasn't turned me into a materialistic person or someone who doesn't know where the idea behind Christmas came from.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Reading a story that isn't real and encouraging belief in something you know not to be real are not the same. But, if a book or movie was released that was known to be fictiocious but was being touted as fact or truth then I would be just as against it as I am about santa claus.

But I can show you insurmountable evidences of a long history of the Santa Claus myth!
And with every myth there is a fraction of truth.

Where does something stop existing then?
How does something actually exist?
Is existence always merely a physical attribute?
 

sniper762

Well-Known Member
belief in and the fantasy of characters such as santa, the easter bunny and the tooth fairy are all part of a kid's childhood. if not infringed upon by adult influence, it will be experienced (harmlessly) through their peers. as they mature, the truth of actuality will be learned (also through their peers).

parental guidance should be focused on teaching children things like decentsy, morality, goodwill, charity and substainance from harmful (mentally and physically) things rather than such harmless enphatuations.
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
But I can show you insurmountable evidences of a long history of the Santa Claus myth!
And with every myth there is a fraction of truth.

Where does something stop existing then?
How does something actually exist?
Is existence always merely a physical attribute?


So what are you trying to say? We should believe in everything we think up to be fact because proving it otherwise would be too difficult, and by by difficult I mean having to use a minimum of one nueron to apply towards critical thought? Is that what you are saying?

If you want to use that argument then that is your personality flaw. I for one am not going to let a speck of truth keep me from seeing a mountain of lies.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
So what are you trying to say? We should believe in everything we think up to be fact because proving it otherwise would be too difficult, and by by difficult I mean having to use a minimum of one nueron to apply towards critical thought? Is that what you are saying?

If you want to use that argument then that is your personality flaw. I for one am not going to let a speck of truth keep me from seeing a mountain of lies.
Is that what you read from my post, or is that what you WANTED to read from my post? It's about parenting, it's about psychology.


Parents who strongly believe that they are betraying their children's trust by sharing the Santa Claus tale probably do not need to tell them the story, says Robert Feldman, PhD, professor of psychology at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, who has conducted extensive research on lying and deception.

Keep in mind, though, that in the overall scale of deception, propagating the Santa myth is no worse than saying things like "You look terrific," or "You haven't gained weight," or "What a great dress," says Feldman, noting that people generally use lies as a social crutch.

"We actually teach our kids that deception is acceptable," says Feldman. For example, he says parents often ask their children to pretend they like gifts from relatives to spare the feelings of family members.

Children are also resilient and can usually overcome any negative feelings related to discovering the real Santa. "It's no worse than telling them about the three bears, or Goldilocks, or Cinderella, or anything else. It's a story and when they get older, they understand that it was only a fairy tale," says George Cohen, MD, FAAP, clinical professor of pediatrics at the George Washington University School of Medicine in Washington, D.C.

"Play is central to cognitive development," says Carolyn Saarni, PhD, a developmental psychologist and professor of counseling at Sonoma State University in California. "You can master the world through your ability to manipulate things in fantasy. Play allows you to kind of practice what you would do in the real world."

Tasha Howe, PhD, assistant professor of psychology at Humboldt State University in Arcata, Calif., says parents can use fantasy to encourage children's critical and independent thinking. When children ask questions related to Santa Claus, such as "Is there really a Santa Claus?" or "How do reindeer fly?" she suggests encouraging little ones to come up with their own explanations.

There is no scientific research indicating the Santa tale can be helpful or harmful to kids, says Howe. So when her students who are parents ask her whether or not they should promote the Santa tale, she simply responds, "It's a personal choice. Whatever choice you make, I don't think it's going to harm your child."

Jung, says that these archetypes represent "absolutes" in the human psyche. "The archetypes are both linked to the instincts and to spirituality; they are charged with intensity and works automatically from the unconscious". They have existed from the earliest record of human history. There are as many archetypes as there are typical situations in life, the endless repetition has engraved these experiences into our psychic condition

Archetypes can be the father, the mother, the wise old woman, the magician, the hermit, the fool, the devil, the trickster, the lover, and so on." - And constantly new "archetypes" are being created from typical situations in our modern life and added to the list, such as ", "Santa Claus" "the mother in law", "the aliens", the terrorist", and soon.

The transition to a disbeliever usually begins around age six or seven, taking about two to three years. From a developmental psychology standpoint that makes a lot of sense. That's when children are moving from preoperational to concrete operational thinking, and that means in concrete operational thinking they're looking for solid evidence, and magic is no longer a reason to believe how something works. A child in the concrete operational stage will begin to ask questions like, ‘How does Santa fit down the chimney? How does he get to all those houses in one night?'"

When children ask about Santa for the first time, no matter what their age, the important thing for a parent is to ask back, What do you think? Why do you ask that? "When children first ask, they aren't really looking for the right answer. They're just trying to make sense of the fact that there's a lot of ambiguous information out there."
 
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