Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You have all time .
That will never happened.

We're too busy learning how to 3D print organs because not enough people want to donate. I think we have enough flies.

Because worship idols and this kind of belief, It's not logical or fair to call hinduism monotheism religion

It's really no different than saying you are one human being despite you being made up of lots of different tissues, viruses and bacteria. Lots of things add up to One Thing. Kinda.

God give us free will . so in some cases we are responsible for our choices.

Why only in some cases? Either we are responsible or we aren't.

Don't try to fool us.
I do believe it's Design take creation by God

"form" can have several meanings or connotations. you seem to be stuck on a particular one.

 

[Kirran]

Do you have other dictionnary or what ?

We all understand the word form as design.
forming= designing, formed = designed.

"formlessness" is your invention, I never mentionned to .
please don't stuck it to me.

I'm using perfectly normal and legitimate meanings of these terms. Form amd design are not the same. I'm not sticking anything to you. The word formlessness is not my invention.

I think we'd have a much better dialogue if you weren't so convinced I was trying to fool you, which I am not.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm using perfectly normal and legitimate meanings of these terms. Form amd design are not the same.

That's noun.

In verb it's almost the same.

Whatever, you know what I meant, but you seems want to play games or pretending.

What I mean is Intelligent design .

The perfectly normal and legitimate meaning to creation is intellegent design .

 

[Kirran]

That's noun.

In verb it's almost the same.

Whatever, you know what I meant, but you seems want to play games or pretending.

What I mean is Intelligent design .

The perfectly normal and legitimate meaning to creation is intellegent design .

I mean it in the sense I have been using it here. There's no reason to try and throw that out, this is what we're discussing it.

 

[Godobeyer]

I mean it in the sense I have been using it here. There's no reason to try and throw that out, this is what we're discussing it.

Sense is meaning, You know exactly what meant.

You said I have form , so you was formed by God
so claim its not same to design,is just wasting my time to non sense discuss.

You absolutly wrong, your opinion about form is not commun sense, it's used intellegent design to mention to creation/origin of life.

I never heard about intellegent form to mention to origin of life. that's just foolish opinion and not commun sense.

 

[rusra02]

OK, so if your grandfather committed murder, we should put you on trial for it?

If my grandfather committed murder, and was immediately executed for his crime, I would not exist. I believe God has allowed Adam's offspring the opportunity to take a different path than Adam did, with the prospect of living forever. (John 17:3)
More important than our salvation, IMO, is that Jehovah be cleared of the reproach brought upon his name by wicked spirits and humans. (Matthew 6:9)

 

[Kirran]

Sense is meaning, You know exactly what meant.

You said I have form , so you was formed by God
so claim its not same to design,is just wasting my time to non sense discuss.

You absolutly wrong, your opinion about form is not commun sense, it's used intellegent design to mention to creation/origin of life.

I never heard about intellegent form to mention to origin of life. that's just foolish opinion and not commun sense.

I never said the words 'intelligent form'. I have just used the word form in a perfectly legitimate way. I really have no idea what you're kicking off about. My use of language here is not unusual.

I'll lay it out again. My understanding is that God is beyond our limited understanding, and therefore beyond form. However, we do perceive form, and all those forms are forms taken by God. That taking form can be said to be creation, a constant, ever-lasting and continuous process. I don't see any room for 'design', because everything is God and so there isn't that separation, that duality, required for a designer-designed relationship.

 

[Godobeyer]

I never said the words 'intelligent form'. I have just used the word form in a perfectly legitimate way. I really have no idea what you're kicking off about. My use of language here is not unusual.

I'll lay it out again. My understanding is that God is beyond our limited understanding, and therefore beyond form. However, we do perceive form, and all those forms are forms taken by God. That taking form can be said to be creation, a constant, ever-lasting and continuous process. I don't see any room for 'design', because everything is God and so there isn't that separation, that duality, required for a designer-designed relationship.

Your defintion is not commun,when it's come to "origin of life".

I think switch words is not big deal since they lead to same point.what you try to not accept.

Yes ,when you said , "I have form" or "I was , that mean " God formed you".

Words creat/form/design is always used to refer to God creation.

I think strongly you are wasted my time,for nothing.

 

[Kirran]

Your defintion is not commun,when it's come to "origin of life".

I think switch words is not big deal since they lead to same point.what you try to not accept.

Yes ,when you said , "I have form" or "I was , that mean " God formed you".

Words creat/form/design is always used to refer to God creation.

I think strongly you are wasted my time,for nothing.

I think perhaps you're assuming I've been meaning something I've not been. I'm not just talking about the origin of life. I don't differentiate - animals, rocks, stars, plants, asteroids, black holes - it's all one creation.

 

[Godobeyer]

I think perhaps you're assuming I've been meaning something I've not been. I'm not just talking about the origin of life. I don't differentiate - animals, rocks, stars, plants, asteroids, black holes - it's all one creation.

My OP was about origin of life.

So if you believe that God creat/form/design everything so you are wasting my time by arguing .

 

[Kirran]

My OP was about origin of life.

So if you believe that God creat/form/design everything so you are wasting my time by arguing .

I believe all form is taken by God, that all creation occurs within God. My understanding of God doesn't accommodate design. I'm only trying to explain this to you, I haven't argued with you at all.

 

[Godobeyer]

I believe all form is taken by God, that all creation occurs within God. My understanding of God doesn't accommodate design. I'm only trying to explain this to you, I haven't argued with you at all.

it's about human English language skills.

Forming=designing=creating.

You are on disagreement with commun sense,for no reason actualy!

In science/religion defintion used intelligent design to mention to "God creation".

 

[metis]

If my grandfather committed murder, and was immediately executed for his crime, I would not exist. I believe God has allowed Adam's offspring the opportunity to take a different path than Adam did, with the prospect of living forever. (John 17:3)
More important than our salvation, IMO, is that Jehovah be cleared of the reproach brought upon his name by wicked spirits and humans. (Matthew 6:9)

You have avoided answering the question I asked.

 

[Kirran]

it's about human English language skills.

Forming=designing=creating.

You are on disagreement with commun sense,for no reason actualy!

In science/religion defintion used intelligent design to mention to "God creation".

It is about English language skills, yes - forming, designing and creating are not synonyms. Why you continue to insist they are is somewhat beyond me. This is incorrect. While their meanings may line up in certain contexts, they aren't synonyms. That's just a fact of the English language.

 

[Godobeyer]

It is about English language skills, yes - forming, designing and creating are not synonyms. Why you continue to insist they are is somewhat beyond me. This is incorrect. While their meanings may line up in certain contexts, they aren't synonyms. That's just a fact of the English language.

You are lieing here .

We all know that designing and creating and forming are synonyms.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/forming

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You said I have form , so you was formed by God

You are thinking "form" only means "to be formed". It can also just mean "has a definite shape."

For instance, no one formed a cloud but it has a form. See? You can have a form and still not be formed by a sentient being. A pot hole is formed and has a form, but need not be formed by a person, only a local area of erosion.

If my grandfather committed murder, and was immediately executed for his crime, I would not exist.

As long as he has already reproduced, that makes no sense.

Yes ,when you said , "I have form" or "I was , that mean " God formed you".

That is not the definition of the word, though.

 

[metis]

I am not sure now , you are all these at once :are not atheists,and you are Jew,and more agnostic, and scientist,

Does someone being scientist, so become far from religion belief,reject it !

I reject superstition and putting blind faith into scriptures whose basic teachings about Allah/God cannot be verified in any way, such as the Bible or the Qur'an. Instead, I rely mostly on objectively-derived evidence that can be verified.

 

[Kirran]

You are lieing here .

We all know that designing and creating and forming are synonyms.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/forming

Are you serious? I'm a first language English speaker, why would I lie to you? Words have multiple meanings. Don't get hung up on one. Even based on that link, the first meaning of it as a verb is 'to bring into existence' - this can fairly be said to be a synonym of 'create', but not by any stretch can it be said to be a synonym of 'design', which is something quite different. And my use of the term isn';t in line with that meaning anyway, it aligns more with the noun.

 

[Godobeyer]

Are you serious? I'm a first language English speaker, why would I lie to you? Words have multiple meanings. Don't get hung up on one. Even based on that link, the first meaning of it as a verb is 'to bring into existence' - this can fairly be said to be a synonym of 'create', but not by any stretch can it be said to be a synonym of 'design', which is something quite different. And my use of the term isn';t in line with that meaning anyway, it aligns more with the noun.

Noun or verb all same.

Liars are all everywhere,whatever its your first or second language.
Its funny how liars/bad people apalways deal/agreed with each others

That's big lie , you lost my respect by.

 

[Godobeyer]

I reject superstition and putting blind faith into scriptures whose basic teachings about Allah/God cannot be verified in any way, such as the Bible or the Qur'an. Instead, I rely mostly on objectively-derived evidence that can be verified.

I get it so what match with your science level you take it,which not you reject it, here is 99℅ of Bible is about believe not facts.