Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Godobeyer]

And where did you get that from?

Type theory of abiognesis .
https://gotquestions.org/abiogenesis-definition-theory.html



Obviously that's definition is close to reality,some people just want generalizing/fraud/extend meaning to link it to origin of life.

 

[Kirran]

Well if you wanna do your dictionaries, go straight to source: "the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances."

Note it says evolution from inorganic substances, because life is only an emergent chemical reaction rather than some fundamentally different phenomenon.

 

[Valjean]

Type theory of abiognesis .
https://gotquestions.org/abiogenesis-definition-theory.html
Obviously that's definition is close to reality,some people just want generalizing/fraud/extend meaning to link it to origin of life.

Your link is uninformed propaganda, Godobeyer.

"...but all forms of abiogenesis have one thing in common: they are all scientifically unsupportable. There have been no experiments demonstrating abiogenesis in action.

This is just wrong. Abiogenesis is both scientifically and logically supported, and there are laboratory experiments supporting abiogenesis.

Both Biology and Islam believe in abiogenesis. One teaches that God created life from non-life by magic. It describes no mechanism for this. The other proposes, and demonstrates, natural, unintentional mechanisms by which life is created.

 

[Kirran]

Hey now Valjean, some forms of Islam do accept science.

 

[Valjean]

Fair enough, but science has always been inimical to religion, from Galileo to modern biology, science is a threat to fundamentalism.

 

[Kirran]

Fair enough, but science has always been inimical to religion, from Galileo to modern biology, science is a threat to fundamentalism.

I wouldn't say equating religion to fundamentalism is quite fair. Although I am aware of the slipperiness of the term 'religion' and so am willing to concede the point given a likely divergence in our usages of the term. I tend to use it very broadly, approaching synonymy with 'spirituality'.

 

[Milton Platt]

Type theory of abiognesis .
https://gotquestions.org/abiogenesis-definition-theory.html



Obviously that's definition is close to reality,some people just want generalizing/fraud/extend meaning to link it to origin of life.

You should not go to Christian or religious websites to get the proper definitioin for a scientific term.

 

[Godobeyer]

You should not go to Christian or religious websites to get the proper definitioin for a scientific terrms.

Well if you wanna do your dictionaries, go straight to source: "the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances."

Note it says evolution from inorganic substances, because life is only an emergent chemical reaction rather than some fundamentally different phenomenon.

That's observation,nothing more or less about what happening.


How life of species started/Origin of life of species is totaly different.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

That's exactly my point, nothing formed it self.
Let me extend bit,
There is nothing created it self in our world.

That's a key point, we know for sure that creative intelligence can produce truly novel designs, with emergent functional properties, independent from mere pre-determined cause and effect.

But we have no clear evidence of nature being capable of doing likewise, certainly not on the scale of transforming a single cell into a human being.

creating a significantly superior design, purely through a random corruption of the information, is problematic

 

[Godobeyer]

You should not go to Christian or religious websites to get the proper definitioin for a scientific term.

Sorry I ignore it's religious website.

But I find their defintion logical,and had sense.

 

[Kirran]

That's observation,nothing more or less about what happening.


How life of species started/Origin of life of species is totaly different.

You may want to re-read until you understand the sentences properly.

 

[Godobeyer]

That's a key point, we know for sure that creative intelligence can produce truly novel designs, with emergent functional properties, independent from mere pre-determined cause and effect.

But we have no clear evidence of nature being capable of doing likewise, certainly not on the scale of transforming a single cell into a human being.

creating a significantly superior design, purely through a random corruption of the information, is problematic

I do believe that we are evidences,and living by evidences around us,so curiousty of" WHO did that", did not deny the fact that we are formed/created.

one single cell can't produce human/animal body by time.

 

[Godobeyer]

You may want to re-read until you understand the sentences properly.

What sentences ?

 

[Kirran]

What sentences ?

The ones you quoted, man.

 

[Godobeyer]

The ones you quoted, man.

Do you agree with their definition ?

 

[Milton Platt]

That's observation,nothing more or less about what happening.


How life of species started/Origin of life of species is totaly different.

Okay, maybe I am confused about what what what you were asking. Are we discussing the origin of life or are we discussing the evolution of life? You seem to be conflating the two. Abiogenesis is how life started and says nothing about how species arose from that original life form. Speciation would come under the theory of evolution.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I do believe that we are evidences,and living by evidences around us,so curiousty of" WHO did that", did not deny the fact that we are formed/created.

one single cell can't produce human/animal body by time.

yes, and this is borne out in the fossil record evidence also, no smooth steady transitions as once predicted by evolutionists, but sudden appearances, 'explosions' of fully formed life in distinct stages

 

[Kirran]

Do you agree with their definition ?

Insofar as they say abiogenesis refers to the evolution of life from non-living substrates, yes. That's what abiogenesis is.

 

[Godobeyer]

says nothing about how species arose from that original life form.

This is my point,thanks

 

[Kirran]

This is my point,thanks

Abiogenesis - origin of life from non-life.

Evolution - origins of the diversity of lifeforms.