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says nothing about how species arose from that original life form.
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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
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says nothing about how species arose from that original life form.
Milton Platt
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This is my point,thanks
So what are you trying to discuss? The origin or the diversification?
origin.
Milton Platt
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Okay, then we can stop talking about species, or anything like that. We are now talking about a single, simple life form composed of self-replicating molecules.
We discuss that evolution, ...etc before.
Now,you reached my point about origin of life,which I agree with.
That's a correct statement. Abiogenesis doesn't talk about how that diversity arose, no. That's what evolution is about.
This review may be of interest to those who want to learn more on the subject.
No, theory of evolution did not explain how got in explosion of species at Cambrian age.
Both theory don't give a clear answser about origin of life, how species appears.
The Cambrian Explosion is often posed as a challenge for evolution because the sudden burst of change in the fossil record appears to be inconsistent with the more typical gradual pace of evolutionary change - See more at: http://biologos.org/common-questions/scientific-evidence/cambrian-explosion#sthash.HPNWPruJ.dpuf
lostwanderingsoul
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Was my body designed / created? Well I have never seen an automobile or computer or other complex machine that was not designed / created. My body is much more complex than any machine, so to think it just formed without some designer or creator is unthinkable.
The explosion of species in cambrian era did not explained by evolution, that's my point.
The fact is, the fossil record is imperfect. As Richard Dawkins notes: "if we arrange all our available fossils in chronological order, they do not form a smooth sequence of scarcely perceptible change" (Dawkins 1996: 229). Eldredge and Gould proposed the theory of punctuated equilibrium on the belief that some of the gaps in the fossil record represent what actually happened: some gaps are due to evolution occurring in sudden bursts followed by periods where no evolutionary change took place in given lineages. But even Eldredge and Gould recognized that some gaps many be due to imperfections in the record.
http://skepdic.com/cambrian.html
Do you want to talk about evolution or abiogenesis? There's a great deal of work available in the literature regarding the diversity which we observe in the fossil record dating to the Cambrian Explosion. But this isn't the origin of life, this is diversification of life. It's evolution, not abiogenesis.
The origin of life - abiogenesis.
How species appear - evolution.
No ,diversity of species suddenly record at Cambrian explosion.
don't have any record fossils previous era.
both theories don't give clear answser about origin of life,and how actual species appears.
Do you want to talk about abiogenesis or evolution? The origin of life or the origins of its diversity?
both theories don't give clear answser about origin of life,and how species appears suddenly.
What on Earth are you trying to discuss? You seem to just be saying things with no real connection to each other. Abiogenesis discusses the origins of life and is making firm strides. As for the appearance of species, the species is a human classification. What definition of species do you prefer - phylogenetic, ecological, evolutionary, cohesion, reproductive? What is a species, and why do you choose that definition? In what way is it meaningful to say 'a species appears' when were it not for human classification it could not have been said to do so?
Both theories linked to each other in issue of appear/origin of life.
Some people used to combine evolution and abiogenesis thoeries to discuss origin of life.
Some people consider abiogenesis is part of evolution.
Cambrian explosion discuss by both.
Complexity does not equal design. Crystals like diamonds are far more ordered and complex than a car or computer, and they can arise through disordered explosions with enough force. Processes like the crystallization of water droplets represent an astounding level of complexity out of disorder which happens through natural process billions and billions of times a day.
Plus, your body has such clear flaws, blood vessels that take inefficient pathways and cause blind spots, apertures which allow for easy choking, errors which mean you can't produce vital nutrients most other animals can etc..
All of which makes sense in evolutionary paradigm but would make a creator look inept or incompetent.
No they're not. People have told you many times that evolution has nothing to do with the origination of life, only its diversification.
The natural process of simple self-replicators arising from organic compounds is abiogenesis, not evolution.
Life already exists and is multiplying before you start talking about evolutionary process.
In the link about abiogenesis , there is 85 times "evolution" words.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
So what? In articles about gravity, thermodynamics is often mentioned. That doesn't mean one is a function of the other. They are both a part of physics just like evolution and abiogenesis are both part of biology, that doesn't mean they are interchangeable or discussing the same thing.