Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Kirran]

Both theories linked to each other in issue of appear/origin of life.

Some people used to combine evolution and abiogenesis thoeries to discuss origin of life.
Some people consider abiogenesis is part of evolution.

Cambrian explosion discuss by both.

"Some people" - do you have any evidence for this? Are you making it up?

As for the Cambrian Explosion, what do you think of the increasing evidence for Precambrian Metazoa? Don't you think it rather invalidates the popular perception of the period as one of such explosive biological diversification? Especially when combined with the dearth of pelagic diversity during the period?

 

[Godobeyer]

Complexity does not equal design. Crystals like diamonds are far more ordered and complex than a car or computer, and they can arise through disordered explosions with enough force. Processes like the crystallization of water droplets represent an astounding level of complexity out of disorder which happens through natural process billions and billions of times a day.

Plus, your body has such clear flaws, blood vessels that take inefficient pathways and cause blind spots, apertures which allow for easy choking, errors which mean you can't produce vital nutrients most other animals can etc..
All of which makes sense in evolutionary paradigm but would make a creator look inept or incompetent.

I bet complexity of human body or even fly (insect) is more complex than car or computer.

To register a body information in zygote weight closer to nothing,that reach to miracle, its required sincer imagination to reach my idea.

 

[Godobeyer]

"Some people" - do you have any evidence for this? Are you making it up?

As for the Cambrian Explosion, what do you think of the increasing evidence for Precambrian Metazoa? Don't you think it rather invalidates the popular perception of the period as one of such explosive biological diversification? Especially when combined with the dearth of pelagic diversity during the period?

scientitis called it "explosion", because the species appears suddenly , without previous records .

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I bet complexity of human body or even fly (insect) is more complex that car or computer.

To register a body information in zygote weight closer to nothing,that reach to miracle, its required sincer imagination to reach my idea.

No more true than it requires a tiny assembler to make a diamond crystal. There is no sufficient amount of complexity that means a creator is required, that's just a god of the gaps fallacy.

 

[Godobeyer]

No more true than it requires a tiny assembler to make a diamond crystal. There is no sufficient amount of complexity that means a creator is required, that's just a god of the gaps fallacy.

Every form need former.

It's like if you try to convinced me that car created by it-self.

 

[Kirran]

scientitis called it "explosion", because the species appears suddenly , without previous records .

What do you think of these questions, then? - As for the Cambrian Explosion, what do you think of the increasing evidence for Precambrian Metazoa? Don't you think it rather invalidates the popular perception of the period as one of such explosive biological diversification? Especially when combined with the dearth of pelagic diversity during the period?

And also, do you have any evidence for your claims that "some people" say evolution and abiogenesis are the same and so on, or are you just making stuff up?

 

[Godobeyer]

What do you think of these questions, then? - As for the Cambrian Explosion, what do you think of the increasing evidence for Precambrian Metazoa? Don't you think it rather invalidates the popular perception of the period as one of such explosive biological diversification? Especially when combined with the dearth of pelagic diversity during the period?

And also, do you have any evidence for your claims that "some people" say evolution and abiogenesis are the same and so on, or are you just making stuff up?

Seems you don't undersand my point about Cambrian explosion.

There is no fossils before that era about the species, the species appears suddenly at Cambrian era

Why the scientists call it "explosion" ?

 

[Kirran]

Seems you don't undersand my point about Cambrian explosion.

There is no fossils before that era about the species, the species appears suddenly at Cambrian era

Why the scientists call it "explosion" ?

I asked you a bunch of questions about the Cambrian Explosion in response. If you aren't able to understand them, you need to educate yourself. The general idea of it as an "explosion" has rather come into question with recent research uncovering more fossils. If you understand that list of questions, then you'll have a much better understanding of why that is. So my advice is, read that list of questions again, and when you feel you can understand them properly you'll have a much better idea about this specific area of prehistory. It may take some research.

 

[viole]

I am not asking about designer, or way of you think that you designed.

When you look to mirror, do you believe that your are designed or your body random.

What you see ?

Neither of them.

But if I had a choice, I would say random. I mean, who would design organs that are used at the same time to produce allegedly immortal souls and pee?

Ciao

- viole

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Every form need former.

It's like if you try to convinced me that car created by it-self.

The former is natural processes, no gods required. Saying that water freezes into complex crystals is not saying the crystals 'made themselves' and if you don't understand that basic fact after so many people telling you then there's no help for it.

 

[Shad]

OK, but I still don't see what this has to do with biological evolution?

It is the typical complexity requires a designer argument.

 

[Shad]

That's exactly my point, nothing formed it self.
Let me extend bit,
There is nothing created it self in our world.

No it wasn't since you brought up nature vs designed.

 

[Milton Platt]

We discuss that evolution, ...etc before.

Now,you reached my point about origin of life,which I agree with.

Wait.....You agree with the theory of abiogenesis? That life was a spontaneous combining of chemicals under favorable conditions to prodice life unaided by a supernatural power?

 

[Milton Platt]

In the link about abiogenesis , there is 85 times "evolution" words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Find the sentence in the article that say they are the same thing and post it here please.

I think you are struggling with definitions. The word evolution can be used to mean other things than biological evolution. It can be used to describe the process which produced the stars, planets and galaxies after the big bang, for instance, without indicating the universe or the matter it was formed from is in any way living.

 

[Milton Platt]

Both theories linked to each other in issue of appear/origin of life.

Some people used to combine evolution and abiogenesis thoeries to discuss origin of life.
Some people consider abiogenesis is part of evolution.

Cambrian explosion discuss by both.

Abiogenesis is a seperate theory which considers the origin of life only. You can say otherwise, but you are being intellectually dishonest to do so when you can easily look up the definitions in a good science textbook.

The theory of evolution says nothing about how life originated. Abiogenisi logically must precede evolution.

 

[Godobeyer]

I asked you a bunch of questions about the Cambrian Explosion in response. If you aren't able to understand them, you need to educate yourself. The general idea of it as an "explosion" has rather come into question with recent research uncovering more fossils. If you understand that list of questions, then you'll have a much better understanding of why that is. So my advice is, read that list of questions again, and when you feel you can understand them properly you'll have a much better idea about this specific area of prehistory. It may take some research.

I mean this

The Cambrian Explosion Mystery

The Cambrian explosion has generated extensive scientific debate. The seemingly rapid appearance of fossils in the “Primordial Strata” was noted as early as the 1840s,[14] and in 1859 Charles Darwin discussed it as one of the main objections that could be made against the theory of evolution by natural selection

 

[Godobeyer]

Find the sentence in the article that say they are the same thing and post it here please

I never said it's same thing.
editors of article used evolution word not me.

 

[Godobeyer]

No it wasn't since you brought up nature vs designed.

No I said everything formed/designed by something else.

 

[Godobeyer]

The former is natural processes, no gods required. Saying that water freezes into complex crystals is not saying the crystals 'made themselves' and if you don't understand that basic fact after so many people telling you then there's no help for it.

People !When I spoke to atheists what I expect ?

"Give it a name" is strategy of espace to clear answser.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

one single cell can't produce human/animal body by time

You realize you DO start off as a single cell when the egg and sperm join to make one cell, right? If we can establish that one cell can become a human being waaaay down the line of its development, I don't see the problem with evolution doing it on a slower time scale.

It's like if you try to convinced me that car created by it-self.

If you see a rainbow form in a storm or something, do you see gods doing it or humans doing it, or are you seeing something form WITHOUT a sentient former?

Anyway, polytheistic religions seem to have gods and/or goddesses for every blade of grass or something, LOL. They felt everything needed a designer, so they had a designer for one object or class of objects. In what way is this wrong? There isn't ONE designer for a car, but lots of them, so ...