Do you think I should?

[Link]

Was it "rightfully taken" from the Jews when they lived there? Both sides do have a valid claim to the area. And some sort of right to return does need to be included. But I see a lot of hate and distrust on both sides.

Most Jews in Arabia converted to Islam. Never was taken from them. Medina for example was originally mostly Jews who converted to Islam, then invited Mohammad (s) over and said we will make you governor/leader of us and our city. This how Hijra started.

 

[Fool]

To me, Jesus is a messenger and prophet from God, So no I personally do not see him as God's Son.

so you don't understand that the created, begotten, offspring is a creation of the Absolute?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Most Jews in Arabia converted to Islam. Never was taken from them. Medina for example was originally mostly Jews who converted to Islam, then invited Mohammad (s) over and said we will make you governor/leader of us and our city. This how Hijra started.

Conversion under the sword is never very convincing. And I know that you will deny that this happened. Historians do not seem to agree with you. Don't worry, Christians did the same thing. They like to deny that as well.

 

[Dropship]

To me, Jesus is a messenger and prophet from God, So no I personally do not see him as God's Son.

But how do you explain the fact that God himself said- "This is my beloved son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

 

[Link]

Conversion under the sword is never very convincing. And I know that you will deny that this happened. Historians do not seem to agree with you. Don't worry, Christians did the same thing. They like to deny that as well.

As for Yathrib, how can he convert them by the sword when he was in Becca/Mecca and they invited him over? I'm sorry, yes I will deny it. Because you just made it up.

 

[Spirit of Light]

so you don't understand that the created, begotten, offspring is a creation of the Absolute?

I understand all human beings to be of the creation of God, But not as a son. as we think of Father and son.
Does that mean my understanding is 100% correct? Probably not, as a Sufi, I have still many things to understand in this life

 

[Spirit of Light]

But how do you explain the fact that God himself said- "This is my beloved son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

I can not answer for what God said. that you must ask God to answer.
I speak only from my belief and understanding of the teaching

 

[firedragon]

Conversion under the sword is never very convincing. And I know that you will deny that this happened. Historians do not seem to agree with you. Don't worry, Christians did the same thing. They like to deny that as well.

Which "historian" are you referring to?

 

[Link]

god is greater than islam, , or ahlulbayt.


allahu akbar


when you find god, you leave all that outward appearance to those who think they can quote scripture and appear righteous


proverbs 21:2


"Don't act like the hypocrite, who thinks he can conceal his wiles while loudly quoting the Quran" - Hafez, 14th century Iranian poet

God only is known through Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) and other hypothetical Creators can't be canditates. Like Elyas (a) said to Bani-Israel, not to believed in is others as God is the best of the Creators (hypothetical ones) and they have no comparison, and if they did, still, they are without proofs.

 

[Link]

Was it "rightfully taken" from the Jews when they lived there? Both sides do have a valid claim to the area. And some sort of right to return does need to be included. But I see a lot of hate and distrust on both sides.

When did they live there? You got history wrong. Yemen for example was mostly Jews, no one forced them to come to Islam.

 

[firedragon]

Okay, but if you get in trouble (you feel anxious or something is wrong) after today, and for next forty days, I'm linking a very good Du'a to come out stronger: Dua-e-Sabaasab (duas.org)

See, if you think others are weak in their premises as you are to feel "anxious", that's only your problem my friend. Please dont pull me into some sectarian or bigotry debate. You dont know me, and I dont know you. This is an Internet forum and we are all here to either learn or share. If you lose, still you learn. So you win anyway. Thats the nature of this forum. Keep it that way. Do not call people liars just because they are who they are unless you are catching them with their lie individually.

 

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As for Yathrib, how can he convert them by the sword when he was in Becca/Mecca and they invited him over? I'm sorry, yes I will deny it. Because you just made it up.

Which "historian" are you referring to?

I don't "make things up". That is a false accusation. If I said the same about you I would be wrong. You are almost certainly using highly biased sources. I could do the same and quote this source:

https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10545-medina

But I would prefer to use neutral sources, neither Jewish or Islamic.

 

[Link]

See, if you think others are weak in their premises as you are to feel "anxious", that's only your problem my friend. Please dont pull me into some sectarian or bigotry debate. You dont know me, and I dont know you. This is an Internet forum and we are all here to either learn or share. If you lose, still you learn. So you win anyway. Thats the nature of this forum. Keep it that way. Do not call people liars just because they are who they are unless you are catching them with their lie individually.

It's the contract, God protects, but if we go to them, he gives them permission. Do what you will. I've been through it.

 

[Dropship]

I can not answer for what God said. that you must ask God to answer.
I speak only from my belief and understanding of the teaching

Are God and Allah the same god?

 

[Subduction Zone]

When did they live there? You got history wrong. Yemen for example was mostly Jews, no one forced them to come to Islam.

Islam had some natural converts, but it was widely by the sword in reality One cannot believe highly biased sources. Christians will do the same when it comes to how their beliefs were spread.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are God and Allah the same god?

It depends who you ask.

 

[Link]

Islam had some natural converts, but it was widely by the sword in reality One cannot believe highly biased sources. Christians will do the same when it comes to how their beliefs were spread.

So you make up history because of biases?

 

[Fool]

I understand all human beings to be of the creation of God, But not as a son. as we think of Father and son.
Does that mean my understanding is 100% correct? Probably not, as a Sufi, I have still many things to understand in this life

an offspring is the product of a creation, a creative force.

so the Absolute would be the father/mother of the formed, now imagine this progenitor giving rise to an infinite number of forms to the point that the infinite has no exact form.


so the game is not to get caught up in the form, the illusion, in maya, but see it as a journey and not a destination, an action and not a form, a movement and not an attachment. so you'll wear a mask, a hat, a role, and then you'll take it off and you'll play another role, wear another mask, don another hat.

but there is the eternal life of fluidity welling up to everlasting and not having to maintain an image.


travel lite, the more the luggage the slower the never ending journey

 

[Spirit of Light]

Are God and Allah the same god?

Allah means God so the way my Sufi teacher explained it to me, yes Abrahamic God is the same God for all of the Abrahamic religions.

 

[firedragon]

I don't "make things up". That is a false accusation. If I said the same about you I would be wrong. You are almost certainly using highly biased sources. I could do the same and quote this source:

https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10545-medina

But I would prefer to use neutral sources, neither Jewish or Islamic.

So which historians are you appealing to?